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Selecting objects in dense areas [message #169885] Fri, 03 March 2017 06:15 Go to next message
Isaac Walker-Stern
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In previous versions of Eagle, when selecting objects with other objects close by, you would be prompted: "Select highlighted object? (left=yes, right=next, ESC=cancel)".
I'm no longer getting this even if the origin of the object is right over another origin.  Was this feature changed or disabled?  It is still described in the help docs.

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Re: Selecting objects in dense areas [message #169904 is a reply to message #169885] Fri, 03 March 2017 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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On 3/3/2017 1:15 AM, Isaac Walker-Stern wrote:
> In previous versions of Eagle, when selecting objects with other objects close by, you would be prompted: "Select highlighted object? (left=yes, right=next, ESC=cancel)".
> I'm no longer getting this even if the origin of the object is right over another origin. Was this feature changed or disabled? It is still described in the help docs.
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Hello Isaac,

In the latest versions of EAGLE this feature has been modified. Do
perform a cycle selection, hold down the alt key and left click to cycle
through the various nearby items. This assumes the group command is active.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
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Re: Selecting objects in dense areas [message #169906 is a reply to message #169904] Fri, 03 March 2017 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Klaus Schmidinger
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On 03.03.2017 18:37, Jorge Garcia wrote:
> On 3/3/2017 1:15 AM, Isaac Walker-Stern wrote:
>> In previous versions of Eagle, when selecting objects with other objects close by, you would be prompted: "Select highlighted object? (left=yes, right=next, ESC=cancel)".
>> I'm no longer getting this even if the origin of the object is right over another origin. Was this feature changed or disabled? It is still described in the help docs.
>>
> Hello Isaac,
>
> In the latest versions of EAGLE this feature has been modified. Do perform a cycle selection, hold down the alt key and left click to cycle through the various nearby items. This assumes the group command is active.
>
> Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Just curious: what's the benefit of breaking such a basic method of operation?

Cycling through a densely populated area with the right mouse button used to be doable
with one hand. Now it requires two hands! Is that Autodesk's idea of "improvement"?
Is there at least a switch that allows the user to fall back to the original method?
And what does "This assumes the group command is active" mean? Does this not work if
the group command is not active?

Klaus
Re: Selecting objects in dense areas [message #169910 is a reply to message #169904] Fri, 03 March 2017 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
geralds
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Hi Jorge,

hm..., if i holding down the alt key and press left mouse button, there is no actions as you mentioned.
the alt key not works?
if the group is active, an i klick though to the selected parts there comes on a rubber band and after an double klick
the selected will be highlighted.
with alt key or without i get the same result.
hm.... the "clicking turn around" seem a little bit tricky. Or I misunderstood  something. 

Best Regards,
Gerald
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Re: Selecting objects in dense areas [message #169918 is a reply to message #169906] Mon, 06 March 2017 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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On 3/3/2017 12:59 PM, Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
> Just curious: what's the benefit of breaking such a basic method of
> operation?
>
> Cycling through a densely populated area with the right mouse button
> used to be doable
> with one hand. Now it requires two hands! Is that Autodesk's idea of
> "improvement"?
> Is there at least a switch that allows the user to fall back to the
> original method?
> And what does "This assumes the group command is active" mean? Does this
> not work if
> the group command is not active?
>
> Klaus

Hi Klaus,

Nice to hear from you again. First off, this is an alternative group
paradigm, and you can get the old behavior back by going to Options >
Set > Misc Tab uncheck the group default on option.

Basically under this paradigm the GROUP command behaves like a select
tool in photoshop or similar graphical programs. The idea is that this
behavior for many new users will seem more natural and will lower the
learning curve to get up to speed with EAGLE. Following this paradigm,
if no other command is active then GROUP is active, it has quite a few
other changes to it. For example, if you have a group defined and hit
the delete key on the keyboard those objects will be deleted. Also if
you have group defined if you left-click and hold you can immediately
move the group. There's a few more updates which as you know you can
check in the Update file.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
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Re: Selecting objects in dense areas [message #169919 is a reply to message #169910] Mon, 06 March 2017 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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On 3/3/2017 4:11 PM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:
> Hi Jorge,
>
> hm..., if i holding down the alt key and press left mouse button, there is no actions as you mentioned.
> the alt key not works?
> if the group is active, an i klick though to the selected parts there comes on a rubber band and after an double klick
> the selected will be highlighted.
> with alt key or without i get the same result.
> hm.... the "clicking turn around" seem a little bit tricky. Or I misunderstood something.
>
> Best Regards,
> Gerald
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Hi Gerald,

If you are used to the old way of working with EAGLE you can get it back
following the directions I gave Klaus.

For the new behavior try this hold the alt key and then left-click where
ever you have the multiple items overlapping (my assumption here is that
you are using the group command).

Just left click a whole bunch of times while holding down the Alt key
and you should see it cycle.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia

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Re: Selecting objects in dense areas [message #169920 is a reply to message #169918] Mon, 06 March 2017 17:20 Go to previous message
Klaus Schmidinger
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On 06.03.2017 18:11, Jorge Garcia wrote:
> On 3/3/2017 12:59 PM, Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
>> Just curious: what's the benefit of breaking such a basic method of
>> operation?
>>
>> Cycling through a densely populated area with the right mouse button
>> used to be doable
>> with one hand. Now it requires two hands! Is that Autodesk's idea of
>> "improvement"?
>> Is there at least a switch that allows the user to fall back to the
>> original method?
>>
>
> Nice to hear from you again. First off, this is an alternative group paradigm, and you can get the old behavior back by going to Options > Set > Misc Tab uncheck the group default on option.
> ...

Thanks for the info. The most important thing here is that it can be
disabled and one can get back the original behavior - assuming they
didn't break anything in the process ;-).

For me personally it doesn't really matter, because V7 will probably
work just fine for anything I'll ever do, and I wouldn't even touch a
subscription license with a ten foot pole...

Klaus
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