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Add holes for through hole components [message #169841] Wed, 01 March 2017 23:57 Go to next message
Angela Ameruoso
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Hi, I am new in the Eagle world and I am making a 2 layers custom board with Eagle. 
I am trying to do a simple custom size board full of holes for through hole components ( a simple prototyping board) and I am not sure about which is the best way to make the holes.
I have found many resources with totally different answers. For example on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-Ugi4y9lk ​ (min: 24.00) this guy use the simple command VIA for doing this, but a VIA should be just a connection between layers.  On this discussion , another guy suggest instead the library wirepad.lbr.
This is a working project. not for fun, so I need to be quite sure that I am making the righ hole. Could you someone help me? It will be really appreciate.

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169844 is a reply to message #169841] Thu, 02 March 2017 06:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lorenz
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Angela Ameruoso wrote:

> Hi, I am new in the Eagle world and I am making a 2 layers custom board with Eagle. 
> I am trying to do a simple custom size board full of holes for through
> hole components ( a simple prototyping board) and I am not sure about
> which is the best way to make the holes.
> [...]

depends 8-)

for pads that need a connection in the schematic you can use
wirepad.lib parts.
They need to be i nserted in the schematic.

But for the pads without connections, use plain vias.
They are inserted/placed in the board only.
You can still connect this vias with the connect command (in the board
editor - to form a GND rail for instance)
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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169845 is a reply to message #169844] Thu, 02 March 2017 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachaelp
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Lorenz wrote on Thu, 02 March 2017 06:59
But for the pads without connections, use plain vias.
They are inserted/placed in the board only.
You can still connect this vias with the connect command (in the board editor - to form a GND rail for instance)


Are you sure? I thought the connect command was used in the library editor to connect pads to pins in a part? I think in this case you'd want to use the name command to name any vias you wanted to be connected together to the same net or simply add them with a name already set.

e.g. name 'GND' or via 'GND'

I'd suggest that if you really wanted any of the holes connected you'd want to have a schematic and connect them there though rather than doing it all in the board so if this was the case the wirepad.lbr option would probably be the correct option.

Best Regards,

Rachael
Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169855 is a reply to message #169841] Thu, 02 March 2017 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
geralds
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Hi Angela,

Holes, pad:
Well, in the schematic or pcb you have 3 types of holes (round eg drilling, square eg punching, complex eg milling) that are separated into plated or non-plated holes.
A via yes is, of course, also a plated hole, but its using is a bit different.

In the schematic - ADD from the library, you can choose from:
Holes.lbr (mounting holes, non plated or plated, round or square)
Solpad.lbr (solderable pads, but this lbr is very inflexible)
Wirepad.lbr (solderable pads, through holes with type of hole diameters and rings, also SMD pads)
Or you can create your own lbr file with your pads or holes.

If you use ADD in pcb i strongly suggest that you imports just holes, but not pads if they are will connected to an electrical contact.
If you likes importing pads then make this into the schematic, also better importing the holes into the schematic.
(-> consistence between schematic and pcb)

The point:
PAD is basically a plated hole or a SMD pad
HOLE is basically a non-plated hole, is only for assembly or for the distances, e.g. for high-voltage security distance.
For your project I suggest you to make your own lbr file. You can also copy the default pads into your lbr file.
Please also read the manual and the tutorial. There you will find nice examples.

Via:
A plated hole used in the circuit board to connect through and between the layers.
They can also be very flexible.
If you want to connect some of the pads or vias to a wire, you must use the command: NAME
Then the menu will ask you: "this segment or complete wire" -> use complete wire!

Power plane:
Power planes are usually created by drawing a polygon, and then this polygon will connected to an electrical wire.
(E.g. GND or VCC or VDD, .... or N $ xxx
-> and if pads or vias are connected to this wire, then the polygon includes it in its calculation.

Best Regards,
Gerald
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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169872 is a reply to message #169841] Thu, 02 March 2017 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If the pads are going to be isolated for a prototyping board, try placing test points with the desired pads on your schematic and then placing them on your PCB.
If needed make your own test point component.

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169873 is a reply to message #169841] Thu, 02 March 2017 22:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Angela Ameruoso
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Thank you all.
I am not importing nothing from the schematic page because I don't have other components on the board, just holes and a brand logo, so I am making directly the board in the board page of Eagle.
For a bettere understanding, I am making this simple type of board (see figure below) but with a custom size and a logo.
[Image result for prototyping board]

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169874 is a reply to message #169873] Thu, 02 March 2017 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shabaz
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There are many ways to do it. The one in this photo was created by making a component for the pads. To simplify further I created a component that was a block of pads (e.g. 4x4 or whatever).

[bp-adapter-top.jpg]

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169877 is a reply to message #169873] Fri, 03 March 2017 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
geralds
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Hi,
ok,,, in this way you can create your board as a component in the library.
Because if you place the pads in the schematic then you can have a lot of work to sorting that on the pcb.
But as a component you'll place it all directly on your defined place and they will stay it on there.
Then you can draw the logo in the symbol of this pcb.
Just make a defined number of pads and place it as group where ever you like.

Gerald
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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169878 is a reply to message #169873] Fri, 03 March 2017 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is always best to schematic capture a PCB because it allows revisions and additions to it to be easily accomplished.
For example - your Proto board - There will most likely be a stage where you want to add power rails or planes to it.
Facilitating this is done easily using a schematic.
There's no reason why you can't capture the prototyping area as components and have them placed on your PCB.
If fact EAGLE works best in this mode because it switches between its schematic and PCB for its Design Rule Checking.

I just kluged this up in moments to illustrate the point. Complete with mounting holes.
The size of this board is at the maximum freeware limit.
[Eagle Proto]

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169879 is a reply to message #169878] Fri, 03 March 2017 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It also makes for a good familiarisation practice session with EAGLE for Library, Schematic and PCB editing.

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169880 is a reply to message #169878] Fri, 03 March 2017 00:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you look very closely you'll also see the two pads with the enlarged holes as per your photo.

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169881 is a reply to message #169841] Fri, 03 March 2017 00:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Angela Ameruoso
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Ok, so if I understand well, you suggest me to start with a schematic creating the component "board" and then go into the board page in Eagle.
I will try to do this. Thank you very much.

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169882 is a reply to message #169881] Fri, 03 March 2017 02:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Firstly to create a components in a new library by:
a. defining a package (which just consists of the pads of the size you want),
b. defining a symbol to associate with the package,
c. creating a device that correlates the pads of the package with the schematic symbol.

From that create a Project and within that project create a schematic file.
Place your newly defined device onto your schematic (for a proto board with no connections you won't have to define any nets),
(I.e. Your schematic will just be a bunch of non-interconnected components)
Then click the SCH/PCB button and allow EAGLE to create a PCB for you.

Now you can move the device into the position you want on the PCB.

The Schematic and PCB are closely linked allowing you to switch back to the schematic to make changes and by clicking the SCH/PCB button it'll place any new components on the PCB file.

Mechanical holes don't necessarily need to be included on the Schematic and can be placed directly on the PCB.

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Re: Add holes for through hole components [message #169886 is a reply to message #169845] Fri, 03 March 2017 06:17 Go to previous message
Lorenz
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Rachael wrote:

> Lorenz wrote on Thu, 02 March 2017 06:59
>> But for the pads without connections, use plain vias.
>> They are inserted/placed in the board only.
>> You can still connect this vias with the connect command (in the board
>> editor - to form a GND rail for instance)
>
>
> Are you sure? I thought the connect command was used in the library editor
> to connect pads to pins in a part? [...]

you are right, it's the 'signal' command you use to create connections
(airwires not tracks) in the board editor, but ...


the 'signal' command only works with parts, not on vias.

For vias you either need to use the 'name' command or give the 'via'
command the signal name:

via 'signal-name'


sorry for the confusion (no more posting before coffee in the morning)
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