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Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169459] Sat, 18 February 2017 17:09 Go to next message
Matt Berggren
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Hi Folks --

Just a (very quick) sneak peek at obstacle avoidance and walk around routing, coming in the new EAGLE version 8!  To be sure, the ability to prevent shorts +*before*+ they happen is critical to EAGLE users' productivity.  This new routing engine, coming in EAGLE v8, follows the design rules and will walk around objects, making you both more productive and less prone to costly errors.  What's more, it's fast!  This clip isn't sped up.  +This isn't "follow me" 2.0.+  This is a completely new engine with some of the best underlying algorithms in the industry. 

We would love to get feedback on what you need to be more productive in routing your PCBs.  Your feedback will help us prioritize our development and ensure we release new features in the right sequence (where possible).  To get the new router, subscribe today!  For $100/year, you'll get EAGLE v8 Standard edition, 4-layer commercial license and ensure you get the new router when it's available.

Best regards

Matt - Autodesk.
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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169460 is a reply to message #169459] Sat, 18 February 2017 17:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachaelp
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Hey Matt,

This looks nice, it'll be great when I can get my hands on it to see how it's like to use in the real world of course, but it looks really promising from the video above :)

I think something that will really speed things up when combined with the above is a much improved net class system which allows accurate specification of net classes with the ability to specify what layers are available for each class and the trace widths and clearances per layer (so you can set up impedance controlled traces better, maybe even provide some tools which integrate with the PCB layer stack and enable the target impedance to be specified and give recommended trace widths) and then have this feed into the router so that it automatically switches to the trace width you need for a particular net on a particular layer as you switch layers (although it should be able to be overridden e.g. so you can route into an IC properly). I have a long list of ideas for EAGLE btw :D

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169462 is a reply to message #169459] Sat, 18 February 2017 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
warrenbrayshaw
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On 19/02/2017 6:09 a.m., Matt Berggren wrote:
> ............. To get the new router, subscribe today! For $100/year, you'll get EAGLE v8 Standard edition, 4-layer commercial license and ensure you get the new router when it's available.............

(1) First rule broken: Forum postings shall not be advertising,
promotion or construed as spam.

(2) Second, the statement is misleading and illegal in many
jurisdictions. Nearly all of us would be allowed to write that string of
words as it would be hearsay or conversational but Matt, being an
Autodesk employee tasked in marketing, cannot say it without exposing
Autodesk and himself to a legal challenge. The first sentence is an
offer and the sole condition is "subscribe today!". The second sentence
attempts to opt out of that first sentence contract.

Many of you will understand the point I'm attempting to highlight here.


HTH
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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169463 is a reply to message #169462] Sat, 18 February 2017 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Berggren
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At Warren - Autodesk actually owns the servers on which this forum operates, whether here, on Autodesk.com or on Eaglecentral.ca.  The NNTP and other forums are Autodesk.  We have discretion in how we use this or any other Autodesk forum.  If you prefer not to receive messages about what is coming in the software, then this forum is not for you.  It has been a tradition amongst Cadsoft and now Autodesk to try and highlight what is coming and get feedback.  If you prefer not to participate in that, you are welcome to your opinion. 

HTH
matt

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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169467 is a reply to message #169463] Sat, 18 February 2017 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington
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Matt Berggren wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 12:28
Autodesk actually owns the servers on which this forum operates, whether here, on Autodesk.com or on Eaglecentral.ca.

Wait. What? I thought EAGLE Central was Stratford Digital...?

And what about Element14? Do you own them too?

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The NNTP and other forums are Autodesk.  We have discretion in how we use this or any other Autodesk forum.  If you prefer not to receive messages about what is coming in the software, then this forum is not for you.  It has been a tradition amongst Cadsoft and now Autodesk to try and highlight what is coming and get feedback.  If you prefer not to participate in that, you are welcome to your opinion.

Matt, while I think I understand what you're trying to say, this comes across, at least to me, as a bit threatening. Are you trying to scare us oldtimers away?
Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169468 is a reply to message #169459] Sat, 18 February 2017 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington
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P.S. You do know how NNTP works, right?
Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169469 is a reply to message #169467] Sat, 18 February 2017 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Berggren
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Im not being at all threatening.  I'm saying that we reserve the right to discuss new features and in fact, the OP was where the "threat" came from, veiled as a legal argument for why it wasn't ok to post about new features.  I replied decently and fairly.  Never has anyone challenged the Cadsoft team for posting anything about new features or planned features and soliciting feedback.  Even marketing messages (I'm in Prod Dev btw) have gone largely unchallenged.  This is a forum to discuss EAGLE and we are soliciting feedback on a version of EAGLE that i both released and in continuous development.  This is the new version of EAGLE we are discussing and not attempting to peddle 'foundation garments'. 

Please afford autodesk the same courtesy you would Cadsoft as the staff from Cadsoft are all employed with Autodesk today...and do so without taking a position on the legality of a comment you and no one ever in history complained about in the past.  This is unfair and not in the spirit of the community.  There's a separate thread about licensing if that's the central source of your frustrations.  Let's not conflate this discussion with a cross-post about what may in fact be fueling your unpleasantness.

Have a great weekend!

best regards,

Matt

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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169470 is a reply to message #169469] Sat, 18 February 2017 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington
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Matt Berggren wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 14:02
Im not being at all threatening.

I'm glad for that. My questions about the ownership of Eagle Central and Element14 still remain. While I completely believe that you can do whatever you wish on the autodesk.com forums and any email list Autodesk manages, I'm not sure you have the same mandate elsewhere, specifically these two sites. Put another way, would you post this kind of thing on EEVBlog or the EAGLE Yahoo group?

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Please afford autodesk the same courtesy you would Cadsoft as the staff from Cadsoft are all employed with Autodesk today... (SNIP) This is unfair and not in the spirit of the community.

Matt, what do you know of the spirit of our community? It would be nice if you would treat those of us who were Cadsoft customers with some courtesy as well. We've been around a long time and you have swooped in and pissed in our punch bowl.

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Have a great weekend!

Was I just dismissed? Is that the end of the conversation then?
Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169471 is a reply to message #169469] Sat, 18 February 2017 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
warrenbrayshaw
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On 19/02/2017 10:02 a.m., Matt Berggren wrote:
> Im not being at all threatening. I'm saying that we reserve the right to discuss new features and in fact, the OP was where the "threat" came from, veiled as a legal argument for why it wasn't ok to post about new features. I replied decently and fairly. Never has anyone challenged the Cadsoft team for posting anything about new features or planned features and soliciting feedback. Even marketing messages (I'm in Prod Dev btw) have gone largely unchallenged. This is a forum to discuss EAGLE and we are soliciting feedback on a version of EAGLE that i both released and in continuous development. This is the new version of EAGLE we are discussing and not attempting to peddle 'foundation garments'.
>
> Please afford autodesk the same courtesy you would Cadsoft as the staff from Cadsoft are all employed with Autodesk today...and do so without taking a position on the legality of a comment you and no one ever in history complained about in the past. This is unfair and not in the spirit of the community. There's a separate thread about licensing if that's the central source of your frustrations. Let's not conflate this discussion with a cross-post about what may in fact be fueling your unpleasantness.
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> Have a great weekend!
>
> best regards,
>
> Matt
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Hi Matt

You have misinterpreted my posting.

I apologise for saying you are tasked in marketing if that is not the
case, I understood that to be the case from earlier threads

My point was, I felt you had breached the globally accepted etiquette
for forums. Simply, it appeared you had not taken care in choosing what
to write.

Perhaps others will have different views but I have never felt, over the
past nine years that I have participated in these forums, any posting by
a Cadsoft employee that was marketing.

Prior to a CadSoft release, information on new features was guarded.
Upon release the web advertising told the story of staring features.
Employee forum postings seemed disciplined and were limited to "Version
released, down load from www.cadsoft..." or responses to threads that
guided you on where to go to get assistance on editions or pricing.

Hence I think you are right as I don't recall anyone saying the Cadsoft
staffers were misusing the forum for marketing.

Warren




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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169474 is a reply to message #169459] Sun, 19 February 2017 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
geralds
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Hi Matt,
>
>
>> Just a (very quick) sneak peek at obstacle avoidance and walk around routing, coming in the new EAGLE version 8! To be sure, the ability to prevent shorts +*before*+ they happen is critical to EAGLE users' >productivity. This new routing engine, coming in EAGLE v8, follows the design rules and will walk around objects, making you both more productive and less prone to costly errors. What's more, it's fast! This clip > isn't sped up. +This isn't "follow me" 2.0.+ This is a completely new engine with some of the best underlying algorithms in the industry.
>
>
>
>> We would love to get feedback on what you need to be more productive in routing your PCBs.
>> Your feedback will help us prioritize our development and ensure we release new features in the right sequence (where possible).
>> To get the new router, subscribe today! For $100/year, you'll get EAGLE v8 Standard edition, 4-layer commercial license and ensure you get the new router when it's available.
>
This is an old thing. Other tools have it build in as standard since many years.
And we asked many years for this kind of router.

And the free version have not this router?
After expiring the license period the Eagle will falling down to a toy, and then we can not use this router?

It seems all of it grows more and more in a Desaster.
One sentence here one sentence there, then all of us can not follow the concrete reasons or causes.

Best Regards
Gerald
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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169475 is a reply to message #169467] Sun, 19 February 2017 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joern Paschedag
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Am 18.02.2017 um 21:13 schrieb Doug Wellington:

> Wait. What? I thought EAGLE Central was Stratford Digital...?
>
> And what about Element14? Do you own them too?
>

I still would like to have a clear answer on these questions.


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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169476 is a reply to message #169474] Sun, 19 February 2017 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Berggren
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@Gerald  ...Free version includes this router, version 7 does not.  This is something EAGLE has needed for some time and was built by long-time eda ninjas (myself included, having been in this space for 15+ years) with feedback from the EAGLE community.  We are actively working on routing tools at the moment so if you have any feedback what you'd like to see prioritized in this version, we're happy to discuss it.  As I've already said, this isn't a licensing discussion (the model for subscription is being discussed in another post and is here to stay, with along list of changes / concessions we've already public made in that post and delivered on with 8.0.1, as promised.) 

If you have any suggestions on routing, here's the place!  Let us know and we'll take them under advisement!

Regards,

Matt - Autodesk.

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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169477 is a reply to message #169474] Sun, 19 February 2017 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Berggren
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@Gerald ...Just one final point on this:  bus routing is coming.  As is better handling for DDR, length tuning, impedance control, etc.  We've only had the product for 6 months so you'll have to bare with us as we have our work cut out for us.  :)  These are not trivial to build (or I suspect Cadsoft would have built them) but we are committed to building them whilst maintaining a price point consistent with EAGLE in the process. 

Most of what you are asking for requires a mix of routing and rules - including real-time DRC checking - both of which need some work in EAGLE to make this a reality.  We are working our way thru these items and will continue to deliver features around routing for quite some time. 

Best regards,

Matt - Autodesk.

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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8... [message #169515 is a reply to message #169477] Mon, 20 February 2017 18:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joop_
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We would like to buy another Professional/Ultimate license for V7
but it seems that Autodesk doesn want my money...

Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around r outing in EAGLE v8... [message #169527 is a reply to message #169475] Tue, 21 February 2017 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Christy Zurcher
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Autodesk does not own element14. The element14 Community forums continue to partner and link to the CadSoft EAGLE (now Autodesk) forums as we have in the past because the software is of interest to our members.

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Re: Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around r outing in EAGLE v8... [message #169562 is a reply to message #169527] Wed, 22 February 2017 09:11 Go to previous message
Joern Paschedag
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Am 21.02.2017 um 18:34 schrieb Christy Zurcher:
> Autodesk does not own element14. The element14 Community forums continue to partner and link to the CadSoft EAGLE (now Autodesk) forums as we have in the past because the software is of interest to our members.
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Thank you Christy for the information ;-)

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