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EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168408] Thu, 19 January 2017 16:59 Go to next message
James Morrison
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Registered: November 2004
Senior Member

Hello Autodesk Support,

Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0 indefinitely?

I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks. But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade. I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never upgrading to a particular version ever.

Cheers,

James.


James Morrison ~~~ Stratford Digital
http://www.stratforddigital.ca
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168432 is a reply to message #168408] Thu, 19 January 2017 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin[17]
Messages: 5
Registered: March 2011
Junior Member
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:59:01 +0000, James Morrison
<james@eaglecentral.ca> wrote:

> Hello Autodesk Support,
>
> Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE
> v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0
> indefinitely?
>
> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James.
> --
> James Morrison ~~~ Stratford Digital
> http://www.stratforddigital.ca

I just looked at the Autocad page, Subscription pricing, and they
include older versions there. Perhaps someone can clarify on the Eagle
side.

I still have my DOS version, and Just upgraded to 7.7 from 4.5, I
still use the Older versions for maintenance.

FYI, I am not happy with the Subscription offering.

Cheers
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168434 is a reply to message #168408] Thu, 19 January 2017 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
Messages: 1294
Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
On 1/19/2017 11:59 AM, James Morrison wrote:
> Hello Autodesk Support,
>
> Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE
> v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0
> indefinitely?
>
> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James.
>

Hi James,

Whenever a new update comes out, you will see a button in the control
panel to Update your EAGLE. If you don't click on that button you will
continue to use the same version of EAGLE until you click on the Update
button.

If you never hit that button, then you will never update. As long as you
keep paying the subscription you can continue to use that same version
of EAGLE and upgrade when you feel ready.

Hope that clarifies things.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168451 is a reply to message #168434] Thu, 19 January 2017 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Morrison
Messages: 1129
Registered: November 2004
Senior Member

Jorge Garcia wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 18:57
On 1/19/2017 11:59 AM, James Morrison wrote:
> Hello Autodesk Support,
>
> Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE
> v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0
> indefinitely?
>
> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James.
>

Hi James,

Whenever a new update comes out, you will see a button in the control
panel to Update your EAGLE. If you don't click on that button you will
continue to use the same version of EAGLE until you click on the Update
button.

If you never hit that button, then you will never update. As long as you
keep paying the subscription you can continue to use that same version
of EAGLE and upgrade when you feel ready.

Hope that clarifies things.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia


Thanks Jorge,

Now the next level questions:

As a design house my customers come to me and tell me what version of EAGLE they are on. So I currently have the following versions all installed at once: 6.5, 6.6, 7.5, 7.7. Will I be able to have multiple versions of V8 installed on the _same_ machine?

Also, in the past, buying a v7 license would also unlock older versions before v7 (ignoring the bastard child that v7.0 was). If I'm a design house and I have a customer who requires me to use v7, then how do I get that when I buy a v8 license?

As a design house I can't force my customers to upgrade their EAGLE license so I have to use what they tell me they want since that decision has other implications to their workflow.

Cheers,

James.




James Morrison ~~~ Stratford Digital
http://www.stratforddigital.ca
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168771 is a reply to message #168408] Sat, 21 January 2017 04:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Glenn Jones
Messages: 77
Registered: January 2005
Member
On 1/19/2017 11:59 AM, James Morrison wrote:
> Hello Autodesk Support,
>
> Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE
> v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0
> indefinitely?
>
> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James.
>

Hi James, I did my last Eagle upgrade through your company. Emails
detailing upgrade information for V8 were supposed to have gone out.
Will I get one as I bought through you vs Cadsoft directly?

Glenn
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168772 is a reply to message #168434] Sat, 21 January 2017 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Glenn Jones
Messages: 77
Registered: January 2005
Member
Hi Jorge, I saw in another thread your reply about the license text that
talks about having to remove old versions.

As long as were not using the licenses on more machines then originally
allowed and we are not expecting support for those older versions, I am
not sure I understand the rational for having to remove them.

I don't plan on migrating all my designs to V8. I also have copies of
eagle installed going all the way back to when I first started using
your product and still have some designs not migrated.

I think it needs to made clear in the license text that removal of old
versions only pertains to the versions offered for subscription. Even if
we obtain V8 through an "upgrade"

If I can't keep my paid for license of 7.7 around for perpetuity then I
can't see myself upgrading to or licensing a V8+ subscription.

Thanks

Glenn

On 1/19/2017 1:57 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote:
> On 1/19/2017 11:59 AM, James Morrison wrote:
>> Hello Autodesk Support,
>>
>> Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE
>> v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0
>> indefinitely?
>>
>> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
>> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the
>> risks.
>> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
>> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
>> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means
>> never
>> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> James.
>>
>
> Hi James,
>
> Whenever a new update comes out, you will see a button in the control
> panel to Update your EAGLE. If you don't click on that button you will
> continue to use the same version of EAGLE until you click on the Update
> button.
>
> If you never hit that button, then you will never update. As long as you
> keep paying the subscription you can continue to use that same version
> of EAGLE and upgrade when you feel ready.
>
> Hope that clarifies things.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jorge Garcia
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168775 is a reply to message #168434] Sat, 21 January 2017 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marco Trapanese
Messages: 297
Registered: May 2007
Senior Member
Il 19/01/2017 19:57, Jorge Garcia ha scritto:

> If you never hit that button, then you will never update. As long as you
> keep paying the subscription you can continue to use that same version
> of EAGLE and upgrade when you feel ready.

Hi Jorge,
I apologize if you've already said, but it's just to be sure once again.
That means I'll never own my licensed EAGLE v8, won't I? If I don't
renew the subscription I cannot use the program anymore, even without
any further update? Too bad...

I'm stuck with v6, because v7 doesn't justify the upgrade costs. v8
sounds interesting but I think your new policy doesn't help old users to
"buy" the new version (actually we don't buy anything, but we rent some
time to use your software).


I can afford the cost if it is one shot - not every year! And what about
if you raise the price? We don't own anything, so we must pay again and
again.

I'm going to stay with v6 as long as possible then look for alternatives.
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168780 is a reply to message #168408] Sat, 21 January 2017 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Friedrich Bleikamp
Messages: 83
Registered: August 2005
Member
Am 19.01.2017 um 17:59 schrieb James Morrison:
>
> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James.
>

I am absolutely with you.
Another problem - In large companies there is usually an IT
which only releases a software after extensive examinations for
the users. Updates by the user are prevented or not allowed.

Freundliche Grüße / Kind regards
Friedrich
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Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168782 is a reply to message #168780] Sat, 21 January 2017 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachaelp
Messages: 604
Registered: March 2015
Location: UK
Senior Member
>> Friedrich Bleikamp wrote:
>>
>> Am 19.01.2017 um 17:59 schrieb James Morrison:
>>>
>>> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
>>> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
>>> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
>>> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
>>> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
>>> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> James.
>>>
>>
>> I am absolutely with you.
>> Another problem - In large companies there is usually an IT
>> which only releases a software after extensive examinations for
>> the users. Updates by the user are prevented or not allowed.
>>
>> Freundliche Grüße / Kind regards
>> Friedrich
>> -
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I'm not sure where this concern has arisen from. It looks to me that so long as you keep paying your subscription your currently installed version will continue to work. I don't see anything that compels you to upgrade to a newer version when it comes out.

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Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168783 is a reply to message #168771] Sat, 21 January 2017 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Morrison
Messages: 1129
Registered: November 2004
Senior Member

Glenn Jones wrote on Sat, 21 January 2017 04:19
On 1/19/2017 11:59 AM, James Morrison wrote:
> Hello Autodesk Support,
>
> Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE
> v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0
> indefinitely?
>
> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James.
>

Hi James, I did my last Eagle upgrade through your company. Emails
detailing upgrade information for V8 were supposed to have gone out.
Will I get one as I bought through you vs Cadsoft directly?

Glenn


Hello Glenn,

You'll have to contact Autodesk. They I received an email on Jan 10, and a subsequent letter by courier, that terminated my distribution agreement on Jan 13--the day they stopped processing v7 licenses.

Sorry for any inconvenience but right now you I don't know any more about this process than anyone else outside of Autodesk. If they had asked I could have predicted this backlash on the licensing scheme. I did predict it on v7.0 when Farnell tried a similar move though no one at Farnell listened at the time until it was released and it was too late.

Cheers,

James


James Morrison ~~~ Stratford Digital
http://www.stratforddigital.ca
Re: EAGLE v8 Update Policy [message #168805 is a reply to message #168434] Sun, 22 January 2017 15:09 Go to previous message
Martin Riddle
Messages: 4
Registered: January 2017
Junior Member
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:57:32 -0500, Jorge Garcia
<jorge@cadsoftusa.com> wrote:

> On 1/19/2017 11:59 AM, James Morrison wrote:
>> Hello Autodesk Support,
>>
>> Can you explain the nuances around updating policy? If I'm using EAGLE
>> v8.0 and v8.1 comes out, am I forced to upgrade? Can I use v8.0
>> indefinitely?
>>
>> I absolutely don't want to be forced into an upgrade in the middle of a
>> design project. I may choose to do so if the benefits outweigh the risks.
>> But no professional takes on CAD updates without a lot of thought and
>> testing to make sure there aren't unintended consequences of the upgrade.
>> I want to make sure I will maintain that control, even if that means never
>> upgrading to a particular version ever.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> James.
>>
>
> Hi James,
>
> Whenever a new update comes out, you will see a button in the control
> panel to Update your EAGLE. If you don't click on that button you will
> continue to use the same version of EAGLE until you click on the Update
> button.
>
> If you never hit that button, then you will never update. As long as you
> keep paying the subscription you can continue to use that same version
> of EAGLE and upgrade when you feel ready.
>
> Hope that clarifies things.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jorge Garcia

I See Autodesk updated the website again, you will have access to
older versions that you paid for.
<http://www.autodesk.com/subscription>

You can also find your previous product key.

Cheers
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