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Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168369] Thu, 19 January 2017 14:12 Go to next message
Antti Louko
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Registered: March 2007
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Is it possible to use Eagle 8 offline (not connected to internet) at all?

I just tried with the free license and it seems to require connection. How is
it with a paid subscription?

There are times when one is not connected and still would like to make some
editing, or even viewing of eagle files.
Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168372 is a reply to message #168369] Thu, 19 January 2017 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachaelp
Messages: 532
Registered: March 2015
Location: UK
Senior Member
Antti Louko wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 14:12
Is it possible to use Eagle 8 offline (not connected to internet) at all?

I just tried with the free license and it seems to require connection. How is
it with a paid subscription?

There are times when one is not connected and still would like to make some
editing, or even viewing of eagle files.


This has been covered in a couple of recent threads about the release and specifically the licensing in the user chat section. From what I understand, at the moment once the licence has been authenticated with the Autodesk server, so long as you don't log out of your Autodesk account then you can use that for up to 14 days. Beyond that it will need reactivating again. This is the topic of a current debate in the other threads which you may wish to take a look at here http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/52902/831880189254cc212f0ee13db45a0f5a/

Best Regards,

Rachael
Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168396 is a reply to message #168369] Thu, 19 January 2017 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Robledo
Messages: 49
Registered: August 2005
Member
Hi Antti,

On 01/19/2017 09:12 AM, Antti Louko wrote:
> Is it possible to use Eagle 8 offline (not connected to internet) at all?
>
> I just tried with the free license and it seems to require connection. How is
> it with a paid subscription?
>
> There are times when one is not connected and still would like to make some
> editing, or even viewing of eagle files.
>

It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
Best Regards,
Ed
edwin.robledo@autodesk.com
Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168448 is a reply to message #168396] Thu, 19 January 2017 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Antti Louko
Messages: 19
Registered: March 2007
Junior Member
Ed wrote:

> It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch EAGLE. At
> this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go offline up to 14 days.
> Best Regards,
> Ed
> edwin.robledo@autodesk.com

I decided to try myself and purchase a $15 subscription. Well, it seems
impossible because I am in Finland. Billing address page requires US address.
How am I supposed to proceed?
Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168449 is a reply to message #168448] Thu, 19 January 2017 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Antti Louko
Messages: 19
Registered: March 2007
Junior Member
Antti Louko wrote:

> I decided to try myself and purchase a $15 subscription. Well, it seems
> impossible because I am in Finland. Billing address page requires US address.
> How am I supposed to proceed?

Apparently one must go to autodesk.eu page and subscribe from there. Stupid.
After all, when one gets forwarded from cadsoft.de to autodesk.com and not be
asked where he resides, that should be asked later and not just allow to subscribe.

Now waiting for export screening!

I seriously think starting to use KiCad. New subscription only approach is not
suitable for me as I am a hobbyist and now suddenly have to pay 545 euro per
year instead of about 100 euro to be able to design 4-layer boards.

It was fun as long as it lasted!
Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168817 is a reply to message #168396] Sun, 22 January 2017 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Olin
Messages: 903
Registered: December 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Senior Member
Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16

It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go offline up to 14 days.


Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.

Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle, which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in, and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login session?

By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection would have been a real problem.

Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?

I've recommended Eagle to quite a few customers over the years, in addition to having three full licenses at Embed. I've invested a lot of time in ULPs, scripts, programs to make scripts, and other external programs for BOM, custom part number handling, and various other features. I don't really want to start over.

However, a subscription model just isn't for me. Not only is the overall price considerably higher now, but the real issue is the vulnerability to down internet connection, and worse, the unpredictable policies of AutoDesk. Basically, if I go with the subscription, then you own me. You can decide at any time to raise the price, force use of a particular version, or even discontinue the product altogether. That's a risk I'm simply not willing to take, and will advise my customers not to take either. It's just plain bad business.

What I will do, and advise my customers to do, is to stay with version 7.7 until there is some need it can't meet. I suspect it will be a long time before there is some development in electronics that version 7.7 just can't address, even with reasonable ULPs and additional external software. If in the mean time, AutoDesk comes out with a acceptable license mechanism, then I'll update at that time.

The real issue is what I'll have to recommend to new customers in the mean time that don't already have Eagle. If you allow version 7.7 to be purchased and licensed the same way, then I can go with that. If you take away version 7.7 so that the only option is the new license, then I will unfortunately have to tell new customers not to go with Eagle. I don't know what the best alternative will be. I don't really want to learn a new package, but I'll probably put the effort into at least looking at KiCad. It's not something I look forward to, and I'll wait until its really necessary, but that's the plan at this point.
Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168823 is a reply to message #168817] Mon, 23 January 2017 00:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
warrenbrayshaw
Messages: 1738
Registered: January 2010
Location: New Zealand
Senior Member
On 23/01/2017 9:01 a.m., Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
>> It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
>> EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
>> offline up to 14 days.
>
>
> .............Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
> the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
> out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
> just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days..............
>
>

Hi Olin

My thoughts:
I have reached a point where I believe that you may work offline for 14
days after being on-line.

The 14 day number has been repeated often and this is likely the true
number. What I did spot on the Autodesk website, in the same context,
was "30 days" quoted, which contradicts the 14 days. I suspect this is
an error.

What one might expect from a subscription model is that you should be
able to go off-line until the expiry date of your current payment. That
would give 30 day minimum and for buying larger lumps of time, even
longer. This would allay some of the fears people have regarding
reaching the server due to whatever reason. It gives less exposure in
any one year and more time for the recovery of that server/
infrastructure before you are compelled to access it.

It begs the question, where or what is the mechanism that stops your
local copy from working at full ability?

Say your subscription ends last day of the month. If I connect two days
before, will I be able to work locally for 14 more days effectively
having full abilities 12 days into the next month. Most likely you have
paid for the next subscription cycle so that's not a consideration but
should you have elected to stop the subscription, then this model will
give you a few more days. This model suggests your local PC does not
track the subscription but just needs to call home to get the status of
you subscription and switch between the limited free version or maintain
it at the version subscribed to.


Warren





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Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #168831 is a reply to message #168817] Mon, 23 January 2017 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joern Paschedag
Messages: 1425
Registered: August 2008
Senior Member
Am 22.01.2017 um 21:01 schrieb Olin Lathrop:
> Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
>> It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
>> EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
>> offline up to 14 days.
>
>
> Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
> the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
> out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
> just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.
>
> Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle,
> which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that
> point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the
> machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A
> day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in,
> and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left
> after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login
> session?
>
> By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what
> I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back
> over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I
> had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent
> enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New
> Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection
> would have been a real problem.
>
> Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my
> customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is
> only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is
> not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go
> in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file
> onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can
> tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?
>
SNIP

As far as I have understood that new licensing stuff is that the
computer has to be "refuelled" every 14 days by internet connection to
the AD-server and it doesn't matter what kind of license you have, even
if it is one for a year.

Even if AD does extend the internet connection to the length of the
valid license no one can predict that it will not be changed 6 month later.

As Olin has already pointed out, if one works in a secure lab those
computers never see a internet connection.


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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag
Re: Eagle licensing, offline use [message #169418 is a reply to message #168817] Thu, 16 February 2017 17:50 Go to previous message
John Friede
Messages: 41
Registered: October 2011
Member
On 1/22/2017 2:01 PM, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
>> It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
>> EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
>> offline up to 14 days.
>
>
> Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
> the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
> out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
> just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.
>
> Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle,
> which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that
> point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the
> machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A
> day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in,
> and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left
> after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login
> session?
>
> By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what
> I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back
> over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I
> had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent
> enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New
> Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection
> would have been a real problem.
>
> Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my
> customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is
> only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is
> not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go
> in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file
> onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can
> tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?
>
> I've recommended Eagle to quite a few customers over the years, in addition
> to having three full licenses at Embed. I've invested a lot of time in
> ULPs, scripts, programs to make scripts, and other external programs for
> BOM, custom part number handling, and various other features. I don't
> really want to start over.
>
> However, a subscription model just isn't for me. Not only is the overall
> price considerably higher now, but the real issue is the vulnerability to
> down internet connection, and worse, the unpredictable policies of
> AutoDesk. Basically, if I go with the subscription, then you own me. You
> can decide at any time to raise the price, force use of a particular
> version, or even discontinue the product altogether. That's a risk I'm
> simply not willing to take, and will advise my customers not to take
> either. It's just plain bad business.
>
> What I will do, and advise my customers to do, is to stay with version 7.7
> until there is some need it can't meet. I suspect it will be a long time
> before there is some development in electronics that version 7.7 just can't
> address, even with reasonable ULPs and additional external software. If in
> the mean time, AutoDesk comes out with a acceptable license mechanism, then
> I'll update at that time.
>
> The real issue is what I'll have to recommend to new customers in the mean
> time that don't already have Eagle. If you allow version 7.7 to be
> purchased and licensed the same way, then I can go with that. If you take
> away version 7.7 so that the only option is the new license, then I will
> unfortunately have to tell new customers not to go with Eagle. I don't
> know what the best alternative will be. I don't really want to learn a new
> package, but I'll probably put the effort into at least looking at KiCad.
> It's not something I look forward to, and I'll wait until its really
> necessary, but that's the plan at this point.
>
I agree. Between the online requirement and the new pricing model, I
will not be moving from 7.7 anytime soon. Our company currently has 3
professional licenses. $1500 per year is not going to fly. I am
currently downloading KiCad for evaluation. I tried it years ago and
didn't think it was quite up to snuff. I found this gentleman who has
already made the switch:
http://www.kaibader.de/i-made-it-i-switched-from-eagle-to-kicad-to-make-my- pcb-designs/
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