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Is the newsgroup going to be turned off? [message #165511] Thu, 21 April 2016 06:50 Go to next message
warrenbrayshaw
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I see that Element14 is testing direct access to EagleCentral. The only
reason I can see for that is that Element 14 intend to close down the
Cadsoft news reader service.

Can any one from Cadsoft confirm that?

Regards
Warren
Re: Is the newsgroup going to be turned off? [message #165516 is a reply to message #165511] Thu, 21 April 2016 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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On 4/21/2016 2:50 AM, warrenbrayshaw wrote:
> I see that Element14 is testing direct access to EagleCentral. The only
> reason I can see for that is that Element 14 intend to close down the
> Cadsoft news reader service.
>
> Can any one from Cadsoft confirm that?
>
> Regards
> Warren
Hi Warren,

I'm not aware of anything of that nature going on. With that said, maybe
they've decided that it's best to mirror to an HTTP site then to the
newsgroup directly. In any case we've all mentioned that EAGLE Central's
interface to NNTP is superior so maybe they are trying to leverage that.

At this point you know as much as I do.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Re: Is the newsgroup going to be turned off? [message #165556 is a reply to message #165516] Sat, 23 April 2016 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Morrison
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Registered: November 2004
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Jorge Garcia wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 15:56
On 4/21/2016 2:50 AM, warrenbrayshaw wrote:
> I see that Element14 is testing direct access to EagleCentral. The only
> reason I can see for that is that Element 14 intend to close down the
> Cadsoft news reader service.
>
> Can any one from Cadsoft confirm that?
>
> Regards
> Warren
Hi Warren,

I'm not aware of anything of that nature going on. With that said, maybe
they've decided that it's best to mirror to an HTTP site then to the
newsgroup directly. In any case we've all mentioned that EAGLE Central's
interface to NNTP is superior so maybe they are trying to leverage that.

At this point you know as much as I do.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia


So let me get this straight: Element 14, powered and funded by a multi-national corporation with a whole IT department at its disposal can't figure out how to mirror NNTP groups. So they decide instead to scrape the messages from EAGLE Central. EAGLE Central itself is run by one person (me), part time, with not a lot of IT expertise and it has run reliably for many, many years. That is really ironic.

If this is what Element 14 is doing then it's the wrong way about it. They should be dealing with the official NNTP forum just like I'm doing at EAGLE Central. Doing anything else is just asking for problems.

To be clear about this, EAGLE Central is mirroring the NNTP forums because the NNTP forums ARE the official forums. We felt, in 2009, that perhaps there was a more universal way to interact with the support forums and added the web interface. We obtained permission from CadSoft directly and intentionally mirrored the NNTP forums so the community would be kept together (unlike other attempts of Yahoo groups etc).

I like that people thing we do such a good job that we must be the official forums, but that isn't true.

James.



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Re: Is the newsgroup going to be turned off? [message #165561 is a reply to message #165556] Sun, 24 April 2016 07:13 Go to previous message
Joern Paschedag
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Registered: August 2008
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Am 23.04.2016 um 20:44 schrieb James Morrison:
> Jorge Garcia wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 15:56
>> On 4/21/2016 2:50 AM, warrenbrayshaw wrote:
>>> I see that Element14 is testing direct access to EagleCentral. The
>>> only
>>> reason I can see for that is that Element 14 intend to close down
>>> the
>>> Cadsoft news reader service.
>>>
>>> Can any one from Cadsoft confirm that?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Warren
>> Hi Warren,
>>
>> I'm not aware of anything of that nature going on. With that said,
>> maybe
>> they've decided that it's best to mirror to an HTTP site then to the
>> newsgroup directly. In any case we've all mentioned that EAGLE
>> Central's
>> interface to NNTP is superior so maybe they are trying to leverage
>> that.
>>
>> At this point you know as much as I do.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Jorge Garcia
>
>
> So let me get this straight: Element 14, powered and funded by a
> multi-national corporation with a whole IT department at its disposal can't
> figure out how to mirror NNTP groups. So they decide instead to scrape the
> messages from EAGLE Central. EAGLE Central itself is run by one person
> (me), part time, with not a lot of IT expertise and it has run reliably for
> many, many years. That is really ironic.
>
Hi James,
thanks for straighten things up.
I can remember that EAGLE Central took just a couple of days to
establish a WORKING link with the Cadsoft NNTP.
Element 14 (Farnell) is now a couple of YEARS more or less busy to get a
working link done :-(
So far it is just crap imho.
I always wanted to give a comment like:
"Ask EAGLE central how to do it", but didn't wanted to be impolite.

> If this is what Element 14 is doing then it's the wrong way about it. They
> should be dealing with the official NNTP forum just like I'm doing at EAGLE
> Central. Doing anything else is just asking for problems.
>
> To be clear about this, EAGLE Central is mirroring the NNTP forums because
> the NNTP forums ARE the official forums. We felt, in 2009, that perhaps
> there was a more universal way to interact with the support forums and
> added the web interface. We obtained permission from CadSoft directly and
> intentionally mirrored the NNTP forums so the community would be kept
> together (unlike other attempts of Yahoo groups etc).
>
> I like that people thing we do such a good job that we must be the official
> forums, but that isn't true.
>
> James.
>
>

I do remember the very large discussion for eagle becoming a newsgroup
or stay NNTP.
So, with EAGLE Central we have both ;-)

I hereby want to thank you James and please keep on your good work ;-)

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag
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