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Eagle upgrade list [message #165416] Wed, 13 April 2016 17:12 Go to next message
eaglecandies
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Is there a requested list of Eagle enhancements posted or kept current? We want to know what issues and requests are BEING ACTIVELY addressed. This would help to show the roadmap.

THANKS for updating the website!! This will give new & potential users a better impression of Eagle--more users, more $$$ to make more improvements.
Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165530 is a reply to message #165416] Fri, 22 April 2016 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CadSoft Support
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Registered: September 2006
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Am 13.04.2016 um 19:12 schrieb Hoyt:
> Is there a requested list of Eagle enhancements posted or kept current? We
> want to know what issues and requests are BEING ACTIVELY addressed. This
> would help to show the roadmap.
>
> THANKS for updating the website!! This will give new & potential users a
> better impression of Eagle--more users, more $$$ to make more improvements.
>


Hi,

currently there is no public list available. Version 8 is yet too
far away as to have well-grounded information what finally will be
realized.

For the current version 7 development and its beta releases which
mainly contain bug fixes and minor improvements we have the file
HISTORY.beta that comes with the EAGLE beta package.
This informaton will be extracted into UPDATE_eng.txt (and
UPDATE_ger.txt for German language) in the final releases.
Version 7.6.0 is not too far away. It's planned to have propably
one more beta (7.5.4) which should end up in 7.6.0 soon.


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Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165533 is a reply to message #165530] Fri, 22 April 2016 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachaelp
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Hi Richard,

I appreciate that if v8 is quite a long way out it would be hard to publish a meaningful list now of what features may be in it, but internally you must have a plan for v7.x releases at least? How far do you plan to stretch v7 and how many more releases are we likely to see in the v7 line? It would be nice if you could publish a v7.x release schedule with at least some of the known about new features and fixes listed against these releases. Even if it's not 100% accurate, and you can cover this in lots of disclaimers if needs be, it would at least give people an idea of what may be coming. Do you think this could be possible?

Many thanks,

Rachael
Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165538 is a reply to message #165533] Fri, 22 April 2016 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norm Novotney
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Registered: March 2015
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Hi Richard:

Thanks for the rather useless response (after almost TEN days) that
shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start
with something better.  There is simply little support for user requests
even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end.  When asked
specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the
answer is essentially you don't know when these issues will be
addressed.  Meanwhile KICAD & others (even almost free software) are
offering many new & better features that need no waiting around for
years, or depending on unresponsive, late, and uninformative answers
answers from those in charge.   Sad, but apparently true.

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Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165587 is a reply to message #165533] Mon, 25 April 2016 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CadSoft Support
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Am 22.04.2016 um 12:12 schrieb Rachael:
> Hi Richard,
>
> I appreciate that if v8 is quite a long way out it would be hard to publish
> a meaningful list now of what features may be in it, but internally you
> must have a plan for v7.x releases at least? How far do you plan to stretch
> v7 and how many more releases are we likely to see in the v7 line? It would
> be nice if you could publish a v7.x release schedule with at least some of
> the known about new features and fixes listed against these releases. Even
> if it's not 100% accurate, and you can cover this in lots of disclaimers if
> needs be, it would at least give people an idea of what may be coming. Do
> you think this could be possible?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Rachael
>


Hi Rachael,

there will be a 7.6.0 soon. I suppose that there won't be fürther V7
release, only if it is urgently necessary, for example in case of a
critical bug. It's planned to concentrate on V8 development from now
on.....



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Richard Hammerl
CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de
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Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165598 is a reply to message #165587] Mon, 25 April 2016 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Markus Rudolf
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Registered: September 2008
Senior Member
On 25.04.2016 12:39, Richard Hammerl wrote:

> Hi Rachael,
>
> there will be a 7.6.0 soon. I suppose that there won't be fürther V7
> release, only if it is urgently necessary, for example in case of a
> critical bug. It's planned to concentrate on V8 development from now
> on.....

Then I really start questioning myself what I paid the upgrade for? Just
for the still far from optimum hierarchical design and for convincing
the management to stay with the old licensing scheme as is?

I assume the V8 upgrade is for free then... KiCAD is actually free...

Markus
Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165602 is a reply to message #165598] Mon, 25 April 2016 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eaglecandies
Messages: 186
Registered: September 2011
Location: Cincinnati
Senior Member
Hi Richard:

Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that
shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start
with something better. Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list
even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end. When asked
specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the
answer is essentially he doesn't know.
When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.
Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165604 is a reply to message #165602] Mon, 25 April 2016 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
On 4/25/2016 11:35 AM, Hoyt wrote:
> Hi Richard:
>
> Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that
> shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start
> with something better. Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list
> even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end. When asked
> specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the
> answer is essentially he doesn't know.
> When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.
>

Hi Guys,

I guess it's my turn to throw my hat into the ring. First off, we want
to thank everyone for submitting suggestions. It shows that you guys
care about the software and the direction it's going in, so we want you
guys to continue sending in suggestions, they are not falling on deaf
ears, we log them and assign them priorities. Just to give you an idea,
our current feature request list contains about 300 entries. Can you
guys imagine how long it would take to implement 300 brand new features
into EAGLE? We certainly have a lot of work ahead and that's thanks to
you guys.

As to the roadmap request, there's a couple of issues with providing a
public roadmap. Regardless of how many disclaimers we would place on it,
users would still hold us to it, and it would leave a real sour taste in
their mouths(as it has) if for whatever reason we couldn't meet all the
points in the roadmap. Another consideration would be the loss of a
competitive edge, when you announce to the world everything you're going
to do competitors will usually be quick to try to either implement an
alternative or block you(this is the case for example when you announce
that you are going to support importing a competitor's file format). For
these reasons and others many companies don't release a public roadmap,
and we are one of those companies.

We don't want a repeat of V7 so we are working really hard to make sure
that V8 is truly worthwhile. Your suggestions are guiding that effort
and if I could talk about what we are planning I know this would be a
different thread.

I know it's not the answer you guys wanted to hear, but I think having
an answer it better than no answer and feeling like you are being
ignored. We value you all a lot, so keep the comments good, bad, etc.
coming; they keep us moving forward.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165605 is a reply to message #165416] Mon, 25 April 2016 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eaglecandies
Messages: 186
Registered: September 2011
Location: Cincinnati
Senior Member
Jorge:
Thanks for the reply, we certainly want Eagle to get better--it is a long time coming.
Please keep these things in mind:
Can you guys imagine how long it would take to implement 300 brand new features into EAGLE? That is what happens when requests are left lagging 1,2,5, or more years..you end up with a big pile. There are waaay too many messages such as "this has been requested for at least xx years"--no action taken, it's in your lap. Don't let Eagle rot on the vine.

Another consideration would be the loss of a competitive edge, when you announce to the world everything you're going to do competitors will usually be quick to try to either implement an alternative Wake up Eagle, you are already losing a competitive edge & competitors were ALREADY quick with alternatives, while you let 300 requests pile up.

Your upgrade, hopefully, will be a welcome step forward.

Re: Eagle upgrade list [message #165619 is a reply to message #165602] Tue, 26 April 2016 10:49 Go to previous message
CadSoft Support
Messages: 539
Registered: September 2006
Senior Member
Am 25.04.2016 um 17:35 schrieb Hoyt:
> Hi Richard:
>
> Thanks for ANOTHER rather useless response that
> shows why users should probably just walk away from Eagle or just start
> with something better. Richard appears deaf to our requests for a list
> even after multiple requests, sometimes for years on end. When asked
> specifically what is being done (for at least a minimal list), the
> answer is essentially he doesn't know.
> When he wakes up everyone will be gone from the eagle party.
>


Hoyt,

thanks for your advice and analysis of the current situation.

BTW: My valuable colleague Jorge already gave an answer to your
post.Thank you Jorge for keeping the forum at its high quality level.
My reply would have been in a different way.

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Richard Hammerl
CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de
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