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Repositioning Bus connections [message #165286] Wed, 09 March 2016 04:44 Go to next message
eaglecandies
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When a bus connection is moved laterally, shouldn't the signals feeding into it (say from left/right)lengthen/shorten as required to maintain a "connection" to the bus? That's one major purpose of a bus...to be able to drag around a bundle of wires (nets) with ease. Has this been fixed/upgraded in later editions of Eagle? I'm using 6.5, but might upgrade if it has been implemented.

Maybe this is already an option buried in some setting, waiting to be turned on/off?

Hoyt
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165287 is a reply to message #165286] Wed, 09 March 2016 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joern Paschedag
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Am 09.03.2016 um 05:44 schrieb Hoyt:
> When a bus connection is moved laterally, shouldn't the signals feeding
> into it (say from left/right)lengthen/shorten as required to maintain a
> "connection" to the bus? That's one major purpose of a bus...to be able to
> drag around a bundle of wires (nets) with ease. Has this been
> fixed/upgraded in later editions of Eagle? I'm using 6.5, but might
> upgrade if it has been implemented.
>
> Maybe this is already an option buried in some setting, waiting to be
> turned on/off?
>
> Hoyt
>

That wish is as old as eagle itself imo.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165324 is a reply to message #165286] Sat, 19 March 2016 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eaglecandies
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Is this issue on the list of items to be worked on for an upcoming release? I thought there was a list posted, but now I can't seem to locate it. Seems like Eagle is falling further behind other PCB packages again--don't let it happen, please!

Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165351 is a reply to message #165324] Fri, 01 April 2016 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CadSoft Support
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Am 19.03.2016 um 21:13 schrieb Hoyt:
> Is this issue on the list of items to be worked on for an upcoming release?
> I thought there was a list posted, but now I can't seem to locate it.
> Seems like Eagle is falling further behind other PCB packages again--don't
> let it happen, please!
>
>

Simply make a GROUP including all objects you want to have
moved, and move it.
So you can exactly define what happens.

I will take your post as occasion to bring this up again.


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Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards
Richard Hammerl
CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de
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Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165357 is a reply to message #165286] Fri, 01 April 2016 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eaglecandies
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Simply make a GROUP including all objects you want to have
moved, and move it.
So you can exactly define what happens.

WHAT HAPPENS..is a mess...grouping tends to select other things you don't want moved, or the bus starts tilting over rather than staying vertical when moving the group

I will take your post as occasion to bring this up again.
What do you mean? IS THIS GOING TO BE FIXED OR NOT & WHEN? WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO BE SO VAGUE?
I see in this post:That wish is as old as eagle itself imo.
WHY DOES Cadsoft ignore users requests year after year?

I certainly wouldn't consider users to be purchasing any sort of upgrades until the many items discussed over and over and over to actually be resolved.
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165359 is a reply to message #165357] Fri, 01 April 2016 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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On 4/1/2016 11:22 AM, Hoyt wrote:
> Simply make a GROUP including all objects you want to have
> moved, and move it.
> So you can exactly define what happens.
>
> WHAT HAPPENS..is a mess...grouping tends to select other things you don't
> want moved, or the bus starts tilting over rather than staying vertical
> when moving the group

The first issue you mention can be resolved by removing unwanted items
from the group. You do this by clicking on the GROUP command and then
holding ctrl and left click to toggle and items participation from the
group. Furthermore you are not limited to just a rectangular selection
polygon, you can actually make any arbitrary group selection by clicking
vertices with the group command active. This simplifies excluding parts
from a group.
>
> I will take your post as occasion to bring this up again.
> What do you mean? IS THIS GOING TO BE FIXED OR NOT & WHEN? WHY DO YOU
> CONTINUE TO BE SO VAGUE?

Both Richard and I can only bring up issues to the attention of
developers, we don't have the authority to promise when and if something
will be changed.
> I see in this post:That wish is as old as eagle itself imo.
> WHY DOES Cadsoft ignore users requests year after year?
Users make many requests every year, more than we could implement in the
same time frame. So things get prioritized in order to get the most
needed changes in first, at least in principle that's the idea.

We aren't ignoring suggestions, other suggestions have simply taken
precedence that's all.

hth,
Jorge Garcia
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165367 is a reply to message #165357] Sat, 02 April 2016 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joern Paschedag
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Am 01.04.2016 um 17:22 schrieb Hoyt:
> Simply make a GROUP including all objects you want to have
> moved, and move it.
> So you can exactly define what happens.
>
> WHAT HAPPENS..is a mess...grouping tends to select other things you don't
> want moved, or the bus starts tilting over rather than staying vertical
> when moving the group
>
> I will take your post as occasion to bring this up again.
> What do you mean? IS THIS GOING TO BE FIXED OR NOT & WHEN? WHY DO YOU
> CONTINUE TO BE SO VAGUE?
> I see in this post:That wish is as old as eagle itself imo.
> WHY DOES Cadsoft ignore users requests year after year?
>
> I certainly wouldn't consider users to be purchasing any sort of upgrades
> until the many items discussed over and over and over to actually be
> resolved.
>

As far as I can remember I wrote about this during Vers. 3 point
something and later again while ver. 4 point x, but never got any reply
on it, neither cadsoft nor any users imho.

Thing is, if moving a device around the connections do follow.
I expected that as a logical function of a bus too but unfortunately
...... :-((

I think Richard is right that other things are more important.
Correct is also that different things have been requested vehemently and
turned out as bullshit imho. Other such requests were fortunately
switch able. ;-)

I do also understand that developers can hardly give an exact time
because tests take their time.
My blood pressure really goes astray if I read some requests with words
like:"This can be done easily with few lines of code...".
My experience showed that those people have either never done
programming or less than 100 lines of code.

But anyway imho it would be nice if cadsoft could provide kinda road map
what is planned.

I know that would mean to let down the pants a little, so I let down
mine too:
If the "hierarchical feature" is not done completely in Ver.7.x.x I
shall not update anymore.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165372 is a reply to message #165359] Sat, 02 April 2016 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rk
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Am 01.04.2016 um 20:24 schrieb Jorge Garcia:
> So things get prioritized in order to get the most
> needed changes in first,

And finally we got adware, the most needed change ever. Thank you very
much! :-(
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165382 is a reply to message #165372] Mon, 04 April 2016 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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On 4/2/2016 4:21 AM, René König wrote:
> Am 01.04.2016 um 20:24 schrieb Jorge Garcia:
>> So things get prioritized in order to get the most
>> needed changes in first,
>
> And finally we got adware, the most needed change ever. Thank you very
> much! :-(

Hi Rene,

You didn't include the rest of that sentence in your quote. I said
ideally in principle that's how it should work. Additionally, in another
post I mentioned that implementing it was trivial and the marketeers got
their wish.

hth,
Jorge Garcia
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165383 is a reply to message #165382] Tue, 05 April 2016 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CadSoft Support
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Am 04.04.2016 um 21:39 schrieb Jorge Garcia:
> On 4/2/2016 4:21 AM, René König wrote:
>> Am 01.04.2016 um 20:24 schrieb Jorge Garcia:
>>> So things get prioritized in order to get the most
>>> needed changes in first,
>>
>> And finally we got adware, the most needed change ever. Thank you very
>> much! :-(
>
> Hi Rene,
>
> You didn't include the rest of that sentence in your quote. I said
> ideally in principle that's how it should work. Additionally, in another
> post I mentioned that implementing it was trivial and the marketeers got
> their wish.
>
> hth,
> Jorge Garcia
>
>


Hi all,

just one more sentence about Adware:
It's only visible in the Freeware and all those who are working with any
other kind of EAGLE license won't even know.



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Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards
Richard Hammerl
CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de
FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/
Re: Repositioning Bus connections [message #165401 is a reply to message #165286] Thu, 07 April 2016 23:20 Go to previous message
eaglecandies
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Has a list of the issues to be addressed been generated (such as a working bottom view capability, smart bus dragging, trace shoving, proper trace highlighting, autorouter spreading, etc) along with a timetable or version when we should expect to see them?

Both Richard and I can only bring up issues to the attention of
developers, we don't have the authority to promise when and if something
will be changed


WHO DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY? They need to be part of this discussion AND NOW, to prevent many more users from leaving the shrinking Eagle nest.

I got a notice for a 40% discount on upgrading, but think, why bother? Free programs are rapidly eclipsing Eagle capabilities, at this rate it will become the CD ROM of PCB layout.

Have them set up a list and maintain it right here on this forum!!!
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