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Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159413] Mon, 26 January 2015 15:50 Go to next message
Jason Traud
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This has probably been mentioned before, but I would love the ability to
click a button and then completely mirror the design to make placement
and routing on the bottom much easier. I know you can manage the layers
and everything with ULPs but it would be great to actually mirror the
view and not just hide the layers. Or even be able to see multiple
layers side by side.

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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159415 is a reply to message #159413] Mon, 26 January 2015 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tilmann Reh
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Jason Traud schrieb:

> This has probably been mentioned before, but I would love the ability to
> click a button and then completely mirror the design to make placement
> and routing on the bottom much easier.

You can't imagine how often (and for how long) this stupid simple
function has been requested...

Tilmann
Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159427 is a reply to message #159413] Tue, 27 January 2015 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guillaume barrey[1]
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Hi,

I already read a post about this suggestion. For my use I don't need
this for routing purposes, since I often work on several layer, It's a
non sense to flip view. But this flipping view makes sense when we
debugging a board (when we need to locate where to put the oscilloscope
probe on the bottom face !!!!) OK, we can print copy with 'mirror'
option, it's true ! But tell me how to highlight a net on a paper print
with a click with your pen !!!! 
So this feature would be REALLY nice, because It would make debugging
really easier. And I'm sure, other users will found many good uses of
this feature.

Just one detail : the user must be aware that the flip mode is active :
I suggest that a really visible sign must be display to inform that the
view is flipped (This could looks like the message to warn you that you
board is open without the schematic)....

Guillaume.

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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159444 is a reply to message #159427] Wed, 28 January 2015 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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Just one detail : the user must be aware that the flip mode is active :
> I suggest that a really visible sign must be display to inform that the
> view is flipped (This could looks like the message to warn you that you
> board is open without the schematic)....

I like this idea a lot. A flipped view has been on the enhancement list
for a while. However, since a workaround(sortof) is available it is
usually considered low prio. Whenever it is implemented I like the idea
of something really noticeable to let you know that you are in flip mode.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159470 is a reply to message #159413] Fri, 30 January 2015 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Justyn Butler
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Also rotated views (without actually changing the coordinates of the
parts) would be useful for routing.

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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159472 is a reply to message #159470] Fri, 30 January 2015 15:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guillaume barrey[1]
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Hello,
> Also rotated views (without actually changing the coordinates of the
> parts) would be useful for routing.
That also would be great, because display screens are often wide but
their height is really smaller, and sometime, a rotation will be
welcome.

+1

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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159488 is a reply to message #159444] Sun, 01 February 2015 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bernd Felsche
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Jorge Garcia <jorge@cadsoftusa.com> wrote:

> Just one detail : the user must be aware that the flip mode is active :
>> I suggest that a really visible sign must be display to inform that the
>> view is flipped (This could looks like the message to warn you that you
>> board is open without the schematic)....

> I like this idea a lot. A flipped view has been on the enhancement list
> for a while. However, since a workaround(sortof) is available it is
> usually considered low prio. Whenever it is implemented I like the idea
> of something really noticeable to let you know that you are in flip mode.

"Reverse video" ;-)
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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #159499 is a reply to message #159444] Mon, 02 February 2015 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andreas Weidner
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Am 28.01.2015 um 21:43 schrieb Jorge Garcia:
> Just one detail : the user must be aware that the flip mode is active :
>> I suggest that a really visible sign must be display to inform that the
>> view is flipped (This could looks like the message to warn you that you
>> board is open without the schematic)....
>
> I like this idea a lot. A flipped view has been on the enhancement list
> for a while. However, since a workaround(sortof) is available it is
> usually considered low prio. Whenever it is implemented I like the idea
> of something really noticeable to let you know that you are in flip mode.

As a solution to this problem, see my own post of March 1st, 2011 in
this newsgroup (which includes some small pictures of a component
showing the current view)...

Andreas Weidner
Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #161691 is a reply to message #159413] Sat, 04 July 2015 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eaglecandies
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Another strong reason for a flipped view came up today...I had some actual fabs that needed some mechanical adjustments made to things on the bottom side, including moving some routes. Since I was holding fabs in my hand, it was very difficult/annoying not to be able to see the exact same thing on the screen. The normal "xray" top to bottom view was rather useless in this situation. Is this something that is currently being worked on?

It would also be very useful to be able to open more than one display window so polygons on the bottom and other layers can be shown separately---their overlapping can make it hard to see what is going on for certain layout operations.
Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170314 is a reply to message #159413] Mon, 24 April 2017 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Miklos Marton
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Bump!

I would also love to see this feature implemented!
It would make my debugging session much much easier.

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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170320 is a reply to message #159415] Tue, 25 April 2017 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andre Schmeets
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On 26-01-15 17:38, Tilmann Reh wrote:
> Jason Traud schrieb:
>
>> This has probably been mentioned before, but I would love the ability to
>> click a button and then completely mirror the design to make placement
>> and routing on the bottom much easier.
>
> You can't imagine how often (and for how long) this stupid simple
> function has been requested...
>
> Tilmann
>


Hi all.

This function is available since, at least Version 7.7
You can find it under: Tools and is called: Mirror board....

Autodesk
Andre Schmeets
Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170321 is a reply to message #170314] Tue, 25 April 2017 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
geralds
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Hi Miklos, hi all with the same question,

All of the board is shown FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
Mirror of the complete board is build in!
Just mark the complete board  with the GORUP button and then  press MIRROR !!!Group!!!
and the complete board will be mirrored - also on bottom side.

BUT !!!! - be careful now by routing.

Also you can do this with one component on board, eg. mounting SMD parts on bottom side -> mark -> mirror and this part is in bottom.

Eagle makes Layer pairs - 1 and 16, 2 and 15, .....or 1 an 2, 15 and 16... or equal.

Gerald
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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170322 is a reply to message #170320] Tue, 25 April 2017 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tilmann Reh
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Andre Schmeets schrieb:

> On 26-01-15 17:38, Tilmann Reh wrote:
>> Jason Traud schrieb:
>>
>>> This has probably been mentioned before, but I would love the ability to
>>> click a button and then completely mirror the design to make placement
>>> and routing on the bottom much easier.
>>
>> You can't imagine how often (and for how long) this stupid simple
>> function has been requested...
>
> Hi all.
>
> This function is available since, at least Version 7.7
> You can find it under: Tools and is called: Mirror board....

Interesting that you answered a two year old post at last...

There is still no function to just see (and work on) the board with
bottom view. The "function" you are referring to in fact simply calls an
ULP, which then indeed mirrors the whole board. This is a really bad
workaround, since it changes the data instead of just changing the view,
and it's definitely *not* what we have been asking for (for decades,
meanwhile).

JFTR.
Tilmann
Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170323 is a reply to message #170321] Tue, 25 April 2017 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Miklos Marton
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Your approach does not works if:
- You have locked down parts
- If you are using a size limited license and your board area is bigger than the half of the dimension.

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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170324 is a reply to message #170323] Tue, 25 April 2017 16:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
geralds
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;) - workaround: unlock
;) - workaround: just mirror parts that not jump out of dimension. - better buy a larger license.
Sorry, your argument, yes, is alright himself, but - it is normal that you can move just the unlocked parts.

Best Regards,
Gerald
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Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170357 is a reply to message #159413] Tue, 02 May 2017 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eaglecandies
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Autodesk continues to shuffle their feet and completely ignore this request.
Matt assured this would be implemented 9 months ago, where is it?
Autodesk possibly does not know how to do this, you'd think they would have great cad knowledge & be able to implement without much trouble.
Maybe it will appear in the next release, if they can figure it out.
Re: Flip the board to route on bottom [message #170358 is a reply to message #170357] Tue, 02 May 2017 21:35 Go to previous message
reece
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On 05/02/17 11:50, Hoyt wrote:
> Autodesk continues to shuffle their feet and completely ignore this
> request.
> Matt assured this would be implemented 9 months ago, where is it?
> Autodesk possibly does not know how to do this, you'd think they would have
> great cad knowledge & be able to implement without much trouble.
> Maybe it will appear in the next release, if they can figure it out.

KiCad supports this as of V5. Pre-release is expected this summer.
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