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V7 licensing [message #156348] Tue, 15 July 2014 15:54 Go to next message
Hans-Peter
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So V7 is now out, for me there is one question left:
What if my computer gives in, so there is no way to do an uninstall of
the single user license? Will the license be lost?
For my part, I would prefer a dongle based licensing scheme, if Cadsoft
really needs one at all.
Regards,
Hans-Peter
Re: V7 licensing [message #156353 is a reply to message #156348] Tue, 15 July 2014 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
Messages: 1294
Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
Hi Hans,

I've recorded your suggestion for the Dongle. This licensing scheme is
new and depending on how users respond to it we'll make adjustments. As
it stands now, should a computer die you would just provide us with the
HostID of the new computer and we would issue a new license. That's it.

Obviously the old computer's HostID would be replaced by the new one.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Re: V7 licensing [message #156376 is a reply to message #156353] Wed, 16 July 2014 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oliver Betz
Messages: 620
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
Jorge Garcia wrote:

> I've recorded your suggestion for the Dongle. This licensing scheme is
> new and depending on how users respond to it we'll make adjustments. As
> it stands now, should a computer die you would just provide us with the
> HostID of the new computer and we would issue a new license. That's it.

That's it - now.

Who guarantees it remains avaliable "forever"?

As my unanswered posting dated 2014-07-13, this is _no_ rhetorical
question.

Oliver
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Re: V7 licensing [message #156452 is a reply to message #156353] Sat, 19 July 2014 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oliver Betz
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Registered: September 2005
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Hi Jorge,

the fact you are not answering some critical questions makes me
assuming the worst.

Oliver
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Re: V7 licensing [message #156455 is a reply to message #156353] Sat, 19 July 2014 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
warrenbrayshaw
Messages: 1768
Registered: January 2010
Location: New Zealand
Senior Member
Hi Jorge

Will the following work in the new licensing regime?

Single User license instance of Eagle is installed on a PC used by many
users and installed so that application is available to all users.

Will Eagle honor the licensing so all these individuals logging onto
that PC can use the installed instance.

Thanks
Warren
Re: V7 licensing [message #156465 is a reply to message #156353] Sun, 20 July 2014 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alberto Vignati
Messages: 20
Registered: December 2010
Junior Member
Hi Jorge,

I read the licence "flame": it seems users are not very happy of this...
are not happy at all. It seems you are going to lose users, is the
management aware of it?

Best regards

Alberto Vignati


Il 15/07/2014 21:02, Jorge Garcia ha scritto:
> Hi Hans,
>
> I've recorded your suggestion for the Dongle. This licensing scheme is
> new and depending on how users respond to it we'll make adjustments. As
> it stands now, should a computer die you would just provide us with the
> HostID of the new computer and we would issue a new license. That's it.
>
> Obviously the old computer's HostID would be replaced by the new one.
>
> Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jorge Garcia
>
Re: V7 licensing [message #156495 is a reply to message #156465] Mon, 21 July 2014 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oliver Betz
Messages: 620
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
Alberto Vignati wrote:

> are not happy at all. It seems you are going to lose users, is the
> management aware of it?

management decisions must not be put into question.

Oliver
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Re: V7 licensing [message #156499 is a reply to message #156455] Mon, 21 July 2014 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
Messages: 1294
Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
On 7/19/2014 8:57 AM, warrenbrayshaw wrote:
> Hi Jorge
>
> Will the following work in the new licensing regime?
>
> Single User license instance of Eagle is installed on a PC used by many
> users and installed so that application is available to all users.
>
> Will Eagle honor the licensing so all these individuals logging onto
> that PC can use the installed instance.
>
> Thanks
> Warren

Hi Warren,

Waiting for feedback on this one. I should have something for you soon
or someone else from Cadsoft will answer.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Re: V7 licensing [message #156500 is a reply to message #156465] Mon, 21 July 2014 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
Messages: 1294
Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
On 7/20/2014 9:08 AM, Alberto Vignati wrote:
> Hi Jorge,
>
> I read the licence "flame": it seems users are not very happy of this...
> are not happy at all. It seems you are going to lose users, is the
> management aware of it?
>
> Best regards
>
> Alberto Vignati

Hi Alberto,

We're keeping track of the situation, and giving feedback to the
appropriate parties. So i would answer Yes.

hth,
Jorge Garcia
Re: V7 licensing [message #156521 is a reply to message #156452] Tue, 22 July 2014 06:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CadSoft Support
Messages: 542
Registered: September 2006
Senior Member
Am 19.07.2014 12:48, schrieb Oliver Betz:
> Hi Jorge,
>
> the fact you are not answering some critical questions makes me
> assuming the worst.
>
> Oliver
>

Sorry, I have to jump in here.....

What do you expect? Do you honestly think we simply look into our
crystal ball and predict what will happen in 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, or
20 years?

The answer to your question will be 'Yes, as long as possible'. It
goes without saying that we try to serve our customers as long as it
is possible.
If I remember correctly, we are in contact for about 20 years
meanwhile and you should have learned that we know about the concerns
of our customers. We always try to get out the best for you, also
now. Support always worked well in the past and it will in future!

But who knows what will happen in the next 20 years. Can you promise
that you will buy the next EAGLE updates? If not, how shall we survive
then? (that's a rethorical question..).



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Re: V7 licensing [message #156522 is a reply to message #156521] Tue, 22 July 2014 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grzegorz Zalot
Messages: 712
Registered: November 2004
Senior Member
Hello Richard,

> What do you expect? Do you honestly think we simply look into our
> crystal ball and predict what will happen in 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, or
> 20 years?

Sorry, now a time for me ...

I am expecting only the possibility to install Eagle on new machine in
case CadSoft will get troubles ...

In 6.x this was guaranted. In 7.x we need a new license file depend i=on
hardware Id.

> The answer to your question will be 'Yes, as long as possible'. It
> goes without saying that we try to serve our customers as long as it
> is possible.

Exactly ... as possible ...

> If I remember correctly, we are in contact for about 20 years
> meanwhile and you should have learned that we know about the concerns
> of our customers. We always try to get out the best for you, also
> now. Support always worked well in the past and it will in future!

I believe you, CadSoft support was all the time excellent !!!

But now ... it is Farnell time, time of a big corporation. And the
corporation decision peopple are "thinking different". This is the
problem. Real big problem !

> But who knows what will happen in the next 20 years. Can you promise
> that you will buy the next EAGLE updates? If not, how shall we survive
> then? (that's a rethorical question..).

I can promiss you I want to buy Eagle updates ... But I expect some
guarantee Eagle will fulfil my requirements as it was until 6.x.

BTW I have some nice software, most was shareware, where the
installation was hardware-Id depend - and the author is no more to find.
And what now ? F.i. this is one very good MSP compiler, Romanian product.

This like with a car, old but reliable - but some parts are necessary.
10 years parta availability is sometimes too short time.

I hope the sale results will wake-up some tie-peopple ...

Best regards
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Grzegorz Zalot

complex ltd.
office tel/fax : +48 32 2505840
mobil : +48 501 301515

http://www.complex.org.pl/
Re: V7 licensing [message #156532 is a reply to message #156495] Tue, 22 July 2014 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alberto Vignati
Messages: 20
Registered: December 2010
Junior Member
Il 21/07/2014 18:52, Oliver Betz ha scritto:
> Alberto Vignati wrote:
>
>> are not happy at all. It seems you are going to lose users, is the
>> management aware of it?
>
> management decisions must not be put into question.
>
> Oliver
>

Hi Oliver,

sorry, but I do not agree at all: the management must be responsible of
his decisions, the management must be aware of what is happening, the
management must know what customers think about his decisions, so there
are several reasons to put them into question. All this because only the
management could decide to give up, or continue, or change this license
schema, and they can do only if they are fully aware of the consequences
of their choices. In any case, as a user, I have the right to say what I
think about the new policies.

Best regards

Alberto Vignati
Re: V7 licensing [message #156533 is a reply to message #156500] Tue, 22 July 2014 15:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alberto Vignati
Messages: 20
Registered: December 2010
Junior Member
Hi Jorge,

thank you for your answer and for your work, especially in this moment.

Best regards

Alberto Vignati


Il 21/07/2014 21:09, Jorge Garcia ha scritto:
> On 7/20/2014 9:08 AM, Alberto Vignati wrote:
>> Hi Jorge,
>>
>> I read the licence "flame": it seems users are not very happy of this...
>> are not happy at all. It seems you are going to lose users, is the
>> management aware of it?
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Alberto Vignati
>
> Hi Alberto,
>
> We're keeping track of the situation, and giving feedback to the
> appropriate parties. So i would answer Yes.
>
> hth,
> Jorge Garcia
>
Re: V7 licensing [message #156552 is a reply to message #156521] Tue, 22 July 2014 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oliver Betz
Messages: 620
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
Richard Hammerl wrote:

>> the fact you are not answering some critical questions makes me
>> assuming the worst.

(you snipped my reference to the posting dated 2014-07-13 in the other
thread)

> Sorry, I have to jump in here.....
>
> What do you expect? Do you honestly think we simply look into our
> crystal ball and predict what will happen in 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, or
> 20 years?

A statement like "there is no plan" would be sufficient.

There are other software providers doing so, no problem to say it. It
just should be said.

> The answer to your question will be 'Yes, as long as possible'. It
> goes without saying that we try to serve our customers as long as it
> is possible.

The question asked was "what happens after this".

> If I remember correctly, we are in contact for about 20 years

even more, I guess.

> meanwhile and you should have learned that we know about the concerns
> of our customers. We always try to get out the best for you, also

That's true - for the old crew.

Mr. Schmidinger went 2012, Mr. Hofer 2010 IIRC, the "terms and
conditions" exploded under the new management and contain rather heavy
stuff (likely not enforceable) etc. So from my 20 year Cadsoft
experience I can't see what the new leaders plan to do.

> now. Support always worked well in the past and it will in future!
>
> But who knows what will happen in the next 20 years. Can you promise
> that you will buy the next EAGLE updates? If not, how shall we survive
> then? (that's a rethorical question..).

Although it's rhetorical, I answer:

The terms and conditions of Eagle 6 were the reason why I discouraged
upgrading from V5. The upgrade was already ordered.

Oliver
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Re: V7 licensing [message #156594 is a reply to message #156552] Thu, 24 July 2014 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grzegorz Zalot
Messages: 712
Registered: November 2004
Senior Member
Hello Oliver ,

>> If I remember correctly, we are in contact for about 20 years
>
> even more, I guess.

1991 was my first work with Eagle.

>> meanwhile and you should have learned that we know about the concerns
>> of our customers. We always try to get out the best for you, also
>
> That's true - for the old crew.
>
> Mr. Schmidinger went 2012, Mr. Hofer 2010 IIRC, the "terms and
> conditions" exploded under the new management and contain rather heavy
> stuff (likely not enforceable) etc. So from my 20 year Cadsoft
> experience I can't see what the new leaders plan to do.

Hmmm, and who are the new leaders ? In the past it was clear - two
chefs, nice small company, which *must* have a good product to stay on
the market. Good and reliable mechanism.

And now a big corporation which have (not only this one, near all) an
unstable politique, some play with changes, fusions etc - and in fact
nothing more ! (BTW, I have very very bad experience with managers of
one big international corporation, located f.i. in Aachen - really
unserious peopple).

> The terms and conditions of Eagle 6 were the reason why I discouraged
> upgrading from V5. The upgrade was already ordered.

For me this was the second reason. The first was clear and user friendly
development of the program. This is for me one of the most important
tools and I need some warranty I can work for many years without problems.

There are many good other CAD programs on the market, some free and
really comparable with Eagle. But the switch to a new program needs time
and some cost.

But the unclear future is maybe worse. So - I have to wait and see what
the "managers" will discover ...

BTW where is layer locking, real-time DRC, fast follow-me router etc ...
??? Or separate settings for each version ?

Best regards
--
Grzegorz Zalot

complex ltd.
office tel/fax : +48 32 2505840
mobil : +48 501 301515

http://www.complex.org.pl/
Re: V7 licensing [message #156667 is a reply to message #156348] Mon, 28 July 2014 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Prime
Messages: 22
Registered: October 2004
Junior Member
Hans-Peter <hpvoelpel@ing-buero-voelpel.de> wrote in news:lq3ir9$oj6$1
@cheetah.cadsoft.de:

> So V7 is now out, for me there is one question left:
> What if my computer gives in, so there is no way to do an uninstall of
> the single user license? Will the license be lost?

Well I guess I'll be sticking with V6.x

I have the hobby license, and have had for V4.x & 5.x before it. I
currently have this installed on my main PC, my laptop and my work PC (for
personal **NOT** work use). Since I'm only ever using one at a time I feel
I'm not breaking the current V6 license.

But with the license going nodelocked I won't be upgrading.

The trouble is that with moves like this the only people that will be
disadvantaged is the paying customers. The ones with ripped off hacked
copies will actually have a more flexible installation than the people that
paid for it.

Cheers.

Phill.
Re: V7 licensing [message #156677 is a reply to message #156667] Tue, 29 July 2014 11:02 Go to previous message
Guillaume barrey[1]
Messages: 260
Registered: July 2013
Senior Member
Hi,
> I have the hobby license, and have had for V4.x & 5.x before it. I
>
> currently have this installed on my main PC, my laptop and my work PC
> (for
>
> personal **NOT** work use). Since I'm only ever using one at a time I
> feel
>
> I'm not breaking the current V6 license.
>
>
I sorry, but I'm not sure of that. Ok you don't use it for your work.
But truth is that a computer that belong to your company have a software
installed, and your company doesn't have the corresponding license. I
don't know how it's working in your country but I pretty sure that here
in France, if a control is made, in a such case, the company could have
trouble (the employee too).

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