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Anyone Get a Price on Felicitas PCBSim? [message #155294] Thu, 08 May 2014 20:40 Go to next message
James Morrison
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Hello everyone,

Nothing annoys me more than to have to fill out personal information on a website in order to get a price for something that is off-the-shelf. <sarcasm>Well done FELICITAS CUSTOMIZED ENGINEERING </sarcasm>.

Has anyone received a price quote for this software? Or even better, has anyone actually used it?

I see it seems to only support Windows and Linux. No Mac support?

James.


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Re: Anyone Get a Price on Felicitas PCBSim? [message #155306 is a reply to message #155294] Fri, 09 May 2014 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Morten Leikvoll
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"James Morrison" skrev i nyhetsmeldingen: lkgq3l$plp$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de
....
>Nothing annoys me more than to have to fill out personal information on a
>website in order to get a price for something that is off-the-shelf.
><sarcasm>Well done FELICITAS CUSTOMIZED ENGINEERING </sarcasm>.

I agree, but I doubt this is a "off the shelf" sw package. It is low volume
very specialized and hence they need to get paid to support it, so they
often [need to]maximize the profit. Actually I think very few Eagle users
need this kind of tool (but you and I do).

>Has anyone received a price quote for this software? Or even better, has
>anyone actually used it?

Not me, but it looks interesting. Let me know if you find out or are able to
test it :)

Regards,
Re: Anyone Get a Price on Felicitas PCBSim? [message #155314 is a reply to message #155306] Fri, 09 May 2014 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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Hi Guys,

I'll be testing it soon, so I'll be able to give some more information
about the tool and how it works. I'm not sure about the price but I
think I heard it's somewhere in the neighborhood of $6k. Don't quote me
on that and James you'll be able to confirm or deny this.

hth,
Jorge Garcia
Re: Anyone Get a Price on Felicitas PCBSim? [message #162669 is a reply to message #155294] Wed, 05 August 2015 03:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
maxolydian
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Registered: August 2015
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I realize this topic is over a year old, but here are my experiences
with PCBSim as of 4 Aug, 2015:

TL;DR: Too much $$ for what is already available for free with LTSpice
ULP, and lacking certain basic features (admittedly after only about 2
hours playing with PCBSim, perhaps I missed them, or they were not
available in the demo).  It *might* be worthwhile in the future, but
only if they can increase the usability, and offer a more
reasonably-priced student version that would include non-commercial
hobbyist/enthusiast/makers.  See following for details, YMMV.

I just downloaded the demo version, which is free. It *really* is a
demo, limited to 20 components (although I believe their definition of
components counts ICs etc as one component).  It's also limited to just
NPN transistors, etc, so it's useless simulating even the smallest
component-count real-world circuits.  There are other limitations as to
importing/saving libraries and so on.  There is a student version
available, but it's fairly highly priced for what this product seems to
be delivering at this point.

I also had some issues with the output from the simulator- first, the
demo circuit they provided did not produce the same result as the
tutorial, despite having the same component values as compared to the
screenshots in the tutorial.  I have not determined whether the actual
correct behavior of the circuit should match the tutorial or my actual
circuit (see below issue about now simulating with LTSpice), but this
alone is enough to worry me about the quality of product/support.  I
also could not figure out how to get delta measuring cursors for time
domain simulation- the best I could do was drag a box between two
waveform points and doing the math myself for frequency of the demo
circuit oscillator.  I also think the interface is a bit clumsy compared
to the EagleCAD/LTSpice interface, where you can just click on a node to
measure voltage.  In PCBSim, you must select a node from a list of
components in the schematic.  It was not apparent how to measure
relative voltages, or currents into a node, or power.  I must admit I
have not spent too much time poking around (although I have googled
quite a bit), but there are basically no right-click menus or hover
tooltips to guide you as in LTSpice.

Also, during installation where I already had a working EagleCAD/LTSpice
connection, my eagle.scr script was overwritten, removing the LTSpice
options from my toolbars and menus..  It did warn me that eagle.scr was
being overwritten, and saved as eagle.bak, but it was up to me to
manually repair my eagel.scr file. I am also now experiencing issues
getting EagleCAD to export LTSpice networks for simulation, I am getting
errors about "component spiceorder doesn't match" and so forth which I
am having problems repairing.

Finally, to the price.  There is a "student" version of BASIC for 299
euros (limited to 100 components- to be fair, probably more than enough
for my needs), and a "student" version of STANDARD for 499 euros.  Both
seem to require a PNG of your student ID, in addition to being priced
(in my opinion) out of the price range for a student.  As far as I know
(I haven't actually contacted them yet), there is no
"hobbyist/enthusiast/maker" license available (q.v. Fusion 360, OnShape,
etc. in the 3d modeling world, both available free of charge if
non-commercial, not to mention EagleCAD itself).

It's a shame, because it sounded like a good product.  It does seem to
integrate pretty tightly, and perhaps a bit more seamlessly, than
LTSpice.  But if they are looking to gain market share, they have not
convinced me.  I'll stick with Eagle/LTSpice, even if I have to
re-install both due to the havoc that PCBSim seems to have wreaked
during its install.

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Re: Anyone Get a Price on Felicitas PCBSim? [message #162704 is a reply to message #162669] Wed, 05 August 2015 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
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Registered: April 2010
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Hi Max,

I hope you're doing well. Thank you for bringing this up again. I've
been using it for a little while now.

We'll be doing a webinar to show how it works and some of it's advanced
features. It interfaces seamlessly with EAGLE, which is pretty cool. I
think the advanced Transmission Line, Sparameter, and IBIS simulations
are what set it apart from LTSpice.

Here's the link for the webinar:
http://www.element14.com/community/events/4409

Let me know if there's anything I can do for you..

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
Re: Anyone Get a Price on Felicitas PCBSim? [message #162726 is a reply to message #162704] Thu, 06 August 2015 17:04 Go to previous message
maxolydian
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Registered: August 2015
Junior Member
Thanks Jorge.  I agree the transmission line sim etc. are interesting-
that's what drew me to it in the first place (that and its placement on
CadSoft's site).  I'll definitely check out the webinar. I haven't given
up on it yet!

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