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Formatting Xref net labels [message #148347] Mon, 19 November 2012 21:49 Go to next message
zainka
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Hi

Normally I have used only the text-based net labels on line that goes
from one sheet to another. My wish is to use the XREF option but I am
not comfortable with the format options.

My "big" problem is that the signal name for a given net label comes
inside the flag. I would prefer all symbols to be of equal size and to
have the text align on beside of the net flag instead.

not like this but like this
______________________ _____
_/NET_LABEL_SIGNAL_NAME | _/ | NET_LABEL_SIGNAL_NAME
\______________________| \_____|

If not existing as an option already I would recommend to make the order
of the label xref formatting tags relevant (as set in misc menu) to the
result. Se my examples below:

________________
%F%N (%S) _/ NET_LABEL (1) |
\________________|

_____
%N %F(%S) _/ (1) | NET_LABEL
\_____|
_____
%N (%S)%F _/ | NET_LABEL (1)
\_____|

Here everything coming in front of the %F tag ends up outside the flag
and everything after %F ends up inside. The flag symbol would thus have
a minimum size like say 3 letters.

Second. Is it possible to have flags indicating direction of a net? I.e.
if signal is in, out or bidirectional. This should be possible to change
with a change command like for example CHANGE DIRECTION or CHANGE FLAG
if not existing as an option already somewhere.

input bi output
_______ ______ ______
_/ | _/ \ | \_
\_______| \______/ |______/


NOTE: I asked this as an question in the support forum, but as mentioned
there I would put it here as a suggestion if it was not possible in some
other way already. As far as I can see, it is not, though I am using
glasses....!*

Breg
Vidar (Z)
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148354 is a reply to message #148347] Tue, 20 November 2012 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Walter Spermann
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Hi,

On 11/19/12 22:49, Vidar (Z) wrote:
> Hi
>
> Normally I have used only the text-based net labels on line that goes
> from one sheet to another. My wish is to use the XREF option but I am
> not comfortable with the format options.
>
> My "big" problem is that the signal name for a given net label comes
> inside the flag. I would prefer all symbols to be of equal size and to
> have the text align on beside of the net flag instead.
>
> not like this but like this
> ______________________ _____
> _/NET_LABEL_SIGNAL_NAME | _/ | NET_LABEL_SIGNAL_NAME
> \______________________| \_____|
>
> If not existing as an option already I would recommend to make the order
> of the label xref formatting tags relevant (as set in misc menu) to the
> result. Se my examples below:
>
> ________________
> %F%N (%S) _/ NET_LABEL (1) |
> \________________|
>
> _____
> %N %F(%S) _/ (1) | NET_LABEL
> \_____|
> _____
> %N (%S)%F _/ | NET_LABEL (1)
> \_____|
>
> Here everything coming in front of the %F tag ends up outside the flag
> and everything after %F ends up inside. The flag symbol would thus have
> a minimum size like say 3 letters.
>
> Second. Is it possible to have flags indicating direction of a net? I.e.
> if signal is in, out or bidirectional. This should be possible to change
> with a change command like for example CHANGE DIRECTION or CHANGE FLAG
> if not existing as an option already somewhere.
>
> input bi output
> _______ ______ ______
> _/ | _/ \ | \_
> \_______| \______/ |______/
>
Thanks, but some questions on this:
- What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?
- How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?
This can cause confusion.

Regards,
Walter Spermann

>
> NOTE: I asked this as an question in the support forum, but as mentioned
> there I would put it here as a suggestion if it was not possible in some
> other way already. As far as I can see, it is not, though I am using
> glasses....!*
>
> Breg
> Vidar (Z)


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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148358 is a reply to message #148354] Tue, 20 November 2012 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
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Registered: March 2011
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On 20. nov. 2012 18:22, Walter Spermann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11/19/12 22:49, Vidar (Z) wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Normally I have used only the text-based net labels on line that goes
>>..cut due to length, see original post
>> input bi output
>> _______ ______ ______
>> _/ | _/ \ | \_
>> \_______| \______/ |______/
>>
> Thanks, but some questions on this:
> - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?
> - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?
> This can cause confusion.
>
> Regards,
> Walter Spermann
>
>>
>> NOTE: I asked this as an question in the support forum, but as mentioned
>> there I would put it here as a suggestion if it was not possible in some
>> other way already. As far as I can see, it is not, though I am using
>> glasses....!*
>>
>> Breg
>> Vidar (Z)
>
>

There is a lot of things that can cause confusions, but the design will
never be better than the effort the user puts into it. And if a users
connects two inputs, or worse two outputs, that’s the users problem and
an ERC will show this. And most professional eCAD software’s has this
option already successfully implemented and I see no reason for why
Eagle should not.

I guess that, to meet the problem you rise, initially the direction
should be set to the direction of the closest pin. In most cases this
will reflect the users intention. When using the change direction/flag
option you can then force the symbol to reflect whatever direction you
want.

The motivation to have this functionality is not to show the given
direction on the device pins, which can be wrong because of a faulty
library device or wrong usage, but the direction as seen from the users
perspective and planned function. We are in other words talking about a
way of labeling nets to tell their names and signals flow-direction

In fact. If you try to add a label flag to a net and you expect to see
an "out" symbol and sees an "in" symbol instead, you should start thinking.



NOTE: I just noticed an embarrassing error i did in my ASCII drawings
for the output symbol. I guess everybody understood what I meant, but
here is the correct drawing.

input bi output
_______ ______ ______
_/ | _/ \ _| \
\_______| \______/ |______/

the "tail" where the net is connected should off-course be on the
opposite position of where the arrow is on the output symbol.



Breg
Vidar (Z)
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148366 is a reply to message #148354] Wed, 21 November 2012 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andreas Weidner
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I do not care about text OUTSIDE the label frame (it will always stay
INSIDE for me), but I also would very much like to see in/out/bi labels
as outlined.

Am 20.11.2012 18:22, schrieb Walter Spermann:
>> input bi output
>> _______ ______ ______
>> _/ | _/ \ | \_
>> \_______| \______/ |______/
>>
> Thanks, but some questions on this:
> - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?

The form of the label MUST NOT be set automatically! Please leave it in
the responsibility of the user to select the appropriate form and make
the following choices available: INPUT and OUTPUT and BIDIRECTIONAL as
shown above, and perhaps even RECTANGLE, which is a simple surrounding
rectangle with no directional information.

> - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?

As stated above, the label form is NOT changed automatically, and
therefore, no 'behaviour' is necessary at all. Also, please no ERC
checks or anything else. Just graphics. Easy to program, no hassles, no
automatisms.

> This can cause confusion.

Without automatisms, confusion won't be possible (other than the user
labelling nets with the WRONG graphics, but that's the user's fault,
then, and not CadSoft's).

Andreas Weidner
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148369 is a reply to message #148366] Wed, 21 November 2012 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
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On 11/21/2012 10:25 AM, Andreas Weidner wrote:
> I do not care about text OUTSIDE the label frame (it will always stay
> INSIDE for me), but I also would very much like to see in/out/bi labels
> as outlined.

By implementing the proposed 'position dependent xref tag setup' Eagle
will become flexible enough to meet most peoples wishes in a simple
manner. A program that puts the user in the front seat is a good
program. (well almost always). Eagle should default to already existing
xref formatting of-course and leaving it up to the user to change it to
whatever they need.

>
> As stated above, the label form is NOT changed automatically, and
> therefore, no 'behaviour' is necessary at all. Also, please no ERC
> checks or anything else. Just graphics. Easy to program, no hassles, no
> automatisms.

This can be made as an option to choose automated direction setting
based on the nearest pin, or if it must be set manually. I guess
defaulting to 'input' is the most logical choice when set to manual
since the existing flag label has the form of an input flag.

But, I my self agree that only manual setting of the direction is
necessary as it also force the user to think throughly through the
design. That has never hurt anyone and as also stated, the flag is only
a way of visualizing the actual signal flow and making a schematic more
readable

ERC should off course not reflect if the chosen label flag direction
shows the direction of the pin connected to or not. A flag showing a
direction is, once again, only a visualization of the signal flow as
seen from the user perspective view, and it must be possible to set to
whatever direction one wants regardless of the direction of the pin one
connects to.

This is called KIS design (Keep It Simple)

>> This can cause confusion.
>
> Without automatisms, confusion won't be possible (other than the user
> labelling nets with the WRONG graphics, but that's the user's fault,
> then, and not CadSoft's).
>

In the end, *what brings confusion is highly individual*. So in stead of
arguing for or against I repeat the humble words of Aristotle:

"To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is
false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is
not, is true."



Breg
Vidar (Z)
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148381 is a reply to message #148366] Wed, 21 November 2012 22:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Walter Spermann
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Senior Member
Hi,

On 11/21/2012 10:25 AM, Andreas Weidner wrote:
> I do not care about text OUTSIDE the label frame (it will always stay INSIDE for me), but I also would very much like to
> see in/out/bi labels as outlined.
>
> Am 20.11.2012 18:22, schrieb Walter Spermann:
>>> input bi output
>>> _______ ______ ______
>>> _/ | _/ \ | \_
>>> \_______| \______/ |______/
>>>
>> Thanks, but some questions on this:
>> - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?
>
> The form of the label MUST NOT be set automatically! Please leave it in the responsibility of the user to select the
> appropriate form and make the following choices available: INPUT and OUTPUT and BIDIRECTIONAL as shown above, and
> perhaps even RECTANGLE, which is a simple surrounding rectangle with no directional information.
>
>> - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?
>
> As stated above, the label form is NOT changed automatically, and therefore, no 'behaviour' is necessary at all. Also,
> please no ERC checks or anything else. Just graphics. Easy to program, no hassles, no automatisms.
I forgot to mention change package, replace and library update: If the adjacent pins change, the labels
would have to be adapted. I think choosing a simple solution as you suggest is better here. Thanks.

Walter Spermann

>
>> This can cause confusion.
>
> Without automatisms, confusion won't be possible (other than the user labelling nets with the WRONG graphics, but that's
> the user's fault, then, and not CadSoft's).
>
> Andreas Weidner

--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Walter Spermann
Softwareentwicklung
CadSoft Computer GmbH
Pleidolfweg 15
84568 Pleiskirchen
Tel.: 08635/6989-10
www.cadsoft.de
---------------------------------------------------------------
Registergericht: Amtsgericht Traunstein HRB 5573
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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148383 is a reply to message #148381] Thu, 22 November 2012 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joern Paschedag
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Am 21.11.2012 23:32, schrieb Walter.Spermann@cadsoft.de:
> Hi,
>
> On 11/21/2012 10:25 AM, Andreas Weidner wrote:
>> I do not care about text OUTSIDE the label frame (it will always stay
>> INSIDE for me), but I also would very much like to
>> see in/out/bi labels as outlined.
>>
>> Am 20.11.2012 18:22, schrieb Walter Spermann:
>>>> input bi output
>>>> _______ ______ ______
>>>> _/ | _/ \ | \_
>>>> \_______| \______/ |______/
>>>>
>>> Thanks, but some questions on this:
>>> - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?
>>
>> The form of the label MUST NOT be set automatically! Please leave it
>> in the responsibility of the user to select the
>> appropriate form and make the following choices available: INPUT and
>> OUTPUT and BIDIRECTIONAL as shown above, and
>> perhaps even RECTANGLE, which is a simple surrounding rectangle with
>> no directional information.
>>
>>> - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical
>>> connections, say input - input ?
>>
>> As stated above, the label form is NOT changed automatically, and
>> therefore, no 'behaviour' is necessary at all. Also,
>> please no ERC checks or anything else. Just graphics. Easy to program,
>> no hassles, no automatisms.
> I forgot to mention change package, replace and library update: If the
> adjacent pins change, the labels
> would have to be adapted. I think choosing a simple solution as you
> suggest is better here. Thanks.
>
> Walter Spermann
>
>>
>>> This can cause confusion.
>>
>> Without automatisms, confusion won't be possible (other than the user
>> labelling nets with the WRONG graphics, but that's
>> the user's fault, then, and not CadSoft's).
>>
>> Andreas Weidner
>

In nowadays circuits with microcontrollers etc. most of the pins can be
of plural directions, just depending on programming.
In plenty of revisions I made those directions pointers were mostly
confusing since they did not reflect the truth.
So imho showing a direction of labels is for the birds.

If such a direction is "a must" for some people then it should be
realized just as "show business" like A. Weidner pointed out.
Just keep it simple.

The Text of a connector should be inside the frame which is
a:Standard in electrical drawings and otherwise
b: might be confused with normal text nearby.

By for more important I consider a separate size of labels, independent
of the text size.
It is a horror if placing text and labels of different sizes and to
adjust the sizes each time.


--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148386 is a reply to message #148383] Thu, 22 November 2012 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
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> On 11/22/2012 09:11 AM, Joern Paschedag wrote:
>
>
> In nowadays circuits with microcontrollers etc. most of the pins can be
> of plural directions, just depending on programming.
> In plenty of revisions I made those directions pointers were mostly
> confusing since they did not reflect the truth.
> So imho showing a direction of labels is for the birds.

I do not agree with you. A schematic that does not reflect reality is a
poorly designed schematic. The schematic is an important documentation
for the product and if it is not put up to date after a software change
its value is at best reduced.

Birds are free, by the way, and I prefer that...

>
> If such a direction is "a must" for some people then it should be
> realized just as "show business" like A. Weidner pointed out.
> Just keep it simple.
>
> The Text of a connector should be inside the frame which is
> a:Standard in electrical drawings and otherwise

Not so standard as you might think it is. I have been working both with
Mentorgraphics and Orcad for different companies and they both have
direction labels with net names put *outside* the flag as suggested above.

I have also been working with many big international companies, NVIDIA
to mention only one, and the schematics I have seen from them (which
uses for me an unknown eCAD software) has their net names written
outside the flag.

I have also seen flags which has the shape as I outlined in my ASCII
drawings with the words IN, OUT and BI written inside the flag and the
net name written outside. Yet, I have seen specialized direction flags
for buses with the shape of a bi flag with double walls. Something like
this:
_______
/_______\
_// \\
\\_______//
\_______/


So the *standard* you referee to is not so standard after all.


> b: might be confused with normal text nearby.
>

Its the designer that has the power and responsible to avoid putting
text so close together that the viewer might get confused. If so has
been done then the design and documentation of the product is of poor
quality in my point of view.

Breg
Vidar (Z)
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148388 is a reply to message #148386] Thu, 22 November 2012 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alberto Vignati
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Hi,

I agree with Vidar. It's the designer that should choose the right
label. See attached... Some pins are only outputs, some are only
inputs and some are bidirectional. If I could choose the label shape
I could emphasize this and the design will be more readable. Label text
inside or outside? I think it would be more beautiful if the text were
outside and shapes had the same length...
Best thing would be if I could choose two more shapes to the only two
available today (arrow shape or nothing), and also if I could decide if
the text is inside or outside.

Best regards

Alberto Vignati
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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148389 is a reply to message #148383] Thu, 22 November 2012 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Olin
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Joern Paschedag wrote on Thu, 22 November 2012 03:11

In nowadays circuits with microcontrollers etc. most of the pins can be
of plural directions, just depending on programming.

Exactly. The pin direction in Eagle is only a very rough clue about whether information actually flows in, out, or both ways of a pin. We already have enough problems from Eagle trying to infer too much from such things. For example, you end up with nuisance ERC errors when a supply pin named VDD is connected to +3.3V, or far worse, the supply pin VDD is automatically connected to the net VDD without any indication of this on the schematic.

It is no big deal to add your own direction symbols. I have done this routinely for years. The important point is that I can chose where I want to show a direction and what that direction is. I have little arrows for this purpose in my symbols library. Here is a snippet of a schematic showing their use:

index.php/fa/6261/0/

If a pin direction was fixed and you knew you wanted to show it in the schematic every time, you could even add this to the symbol in the library. There are already plenty of easy ways to solve this problem. Let's not invent yet another automatic thing for Each to get right 90% of the time, and more pointless busywork for the CadSoft developers. There are plenty of important features to implement, like hierarchical schematic blocks for example.

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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148404 is a reply to message #148389] Fri, 23 November 2012 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
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On 11/22/2012 03:43 PM, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Joern Paschedag wrote on Thu, 22 November 2012 03:11
>> In nowadays circuits with microcontrollers etc. most of the pins can be
>>
>> of plural directions, just depending on programming.
>
> Exactly. The pin direction in Eagle is only a very rough clue about
> whether information actually flows in, out, or both ways of a pin. We
> already have enough problems from Eagle trying to infer too much from such
> things. For example, you end up with nuisance ERC errors when a supply pin
> named VDD is connected to +3.3V, or far worse, the supply pin VDD is
> automatically connected to the net VDD without any indication of this on
> the schematic.
>
> It is no big deal to add your own direction symbols. I have done this
> routinely for years. The important point is that I can chose where I want
> to show a direction and what that direction is. I have little arrows for
> this purpose in my symbols library. Here is a snippet of a schematic
> showing their use:



>
> If a pin direction was fixed and you knew you wanted to show it in the
> schematic every time, you could even add this to the symbol in the library.


You do not know what the direction of a MCU port pin will be, as already
stated by your self, so thus adding directions symbols in the library is
in my opinion lack of consistency when it comes to drawing symbols.

> There are already plenty of easy ways to solve this problem. Let's not
> invent yet another automatic thing for Each to get right 90% of the time,
> and more pointless busywork for the CadSoft developers. There are plenty
> of important features to implement, like hierarchical schematic blocks for
> example.
>
>


But..! the suggestion is not a suggestion to have directional flags
that changes their sign by their own will. Nor was the original
suggestion to have the direction flag to inherit the value by the pin it
is connected to. The only wish I had was to be able to change the
direction of the already *existing* flag by a change command. Its
already half way implemented in the form of a flag that has the ability
to show only one direction. Adding the option to change direction will
in my opinion complete an existing feature

The "inherit direction from nearest pin" option was only rised during
the discussion that came after Walter at Cadsoft had some questions. but
it is not a part of my original request and never was the intention.

Finally, The correct rating of what is an "important feature" to be
implemented is highly individual, and there are many peoples that finds
this suggestion to be important as-well.



To clear things up, These are my suggestion...:


1) To have the option to change the flag direction by a change command
(but the flag shall not sniff on the pins on the net, I at-least have no
needs for that)

2) To be able to choose which data to be inside and which to be outside
the flag by using the formatting options position relative to %F ..



I am sorry if I was unclear in the beginning




Breg
Vidar
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148407 is a reply to message #148404] Fri, 23 November 2012 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Olin
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Vidar (Z) wrote on Fri, 23 November 2012 04:46

> If a pin direction was fixed and you knew you wanted to show it in the
> schematic every time, you could even add this to the symbol in the library.

You do not know what the direction of a MCU port pin will be, as already
stated by your self, so thus adding directions symbols in the library is
in my opinion lack of consistency when it comes to drawing symbols.

Right, that's why I said "if". I have only added direction symbols a few times in libraries. Most of the confusion is around microcontroller pins that can be used different ways. For those I add the little arrows in the schematic as I showed. This is really easy.

[/quote]
and there are many peoples that finds this suggestion to be important as-well.[/quote]
I seriously doubt that. You have latched onto this issue for some reason, but it's really a minor nit in the overall scheme of things. We don't want CadSoft getting distracted by all the little minor nits to the point that the truly useful major features get less attention. The great thing about Eagle is you can already do many things you wish it had on your own well enough. This particular feature is a great example of that.
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148408 is a reply to message #148407] Fri, 23 November 2012 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
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On 11/23/2012 02:36 PM, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Vidar (Z) wrote on Fri, 23 November 2012 04:46
>>> If a pin direction was fixed and you knew you wanted to show it in
>>> the
>>> schematic every time, you could even add this to the symbol in the
>>> library.
>>
>> You do not know what the direction of a MCU port pin will be, as
>> already
>> stated by your self, so thus adding directions symbols in the library
>> is
>> in my opinion lack of consistency when it comes to drawing symbols.
>
> Right, that's why I said "if". I have only added direction symbols a few
> times in libraries. Most of the confusion is around microcontroller pins
> that can be used different ways. For those I add the little arrows in the
> schematic as I showed. This is really easy.
>

Well, I did not comment on that before, but I did not like your
"solution" at all, but we live in a free world and you may do as you like.

However, a flag as outlined in my suggestion will be attached to the net
and by dragging the flag one will bring the net with you making it easy
to rearrange the schematic, if needed, without having to move around
self drawn arrows as-well.

And as mentioned. The flag option is partly implemented already and thus
part of eagle today, and one is free to use the feature, if implemented,
or to use whatever self-invented options one like.


> [/quote]
> and there are many peoples that finds this suggestion to be important
> as-well.[/quote]
> I seriously doubt that. You have latched onto this issue for some reason,
> but it's really a minor nit in the overall scheme of things. We don't want
> CadSoft getting distracted by all the little minor nits to the point that
> the truly useful major features get less attention. The great thing about
> Eagle is you can already do many things you wish it had on your own well
> enough. This particular feature is a great example of that.
>

I won't (almost) even comment that more than to saying there is
different opinions on this than yours and mine.

In fact, I also wish for hierarchical schematic blocks (HSB) to be
implemented, but they are longer down on my list than directional flags.
HSB is also useless, imho, if they do not show the signal directions.
Thus implementing directional flags is a step towards getting HSB and
should therefore be on the wish list for all of us. ;)

Have a nice weekend

Breg
Vidar (Z)
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #148677 is a reply to message #148408] Tue, 18 December 2012 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KP
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> In fact, I also wish for hierarchical schematic blocks (HSB) to be
> implemented, but they are longer down on my list than directional flags.
> HSB is also useless, imho, if they do not show the signal directions.
> Thus implementing directional flags is a step towards getting HSB and
> should therefore be on the wish list for all of us. ;)

Hello,

I would like to re-animate the discussion on Xref net labels. Since the
Xref labels were introduced to Eagle I have been using them, and even
modifying some older schematic drawings to use them for better visual
appearance. BUT I have all the time been missing the directional option
on them, all my signals are not inputs as the Xref arrow direction would
imply. What I would like to achieve is something like the attached
drawing (taken from http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva444/slva444.pdf)

I hope there would be some comment from Eagle developer side to state if
this opton is considered for future releases. I would suggest that 3+1
options is sufficient (iput/output/bidirectional) added with the 4th
Xref-Off. Don't care for the out-of-arrow label option, but someone
might need that. Also make the default text size to 0.05 on Xrefs to
make the arrows align on 0.1" grid. My vote for these features!!!

Kim
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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #154302 is a reply to message #148677] Wed, 12 March 2014 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
Messages: 67
Registered: March 2011
Member
I think it's time to re-suggest the original request. Also called
"bumping"

1) To have the option to change the xref flag direction and shape
          That is: To choose which side the net attaches to the arrow,
and to choose the shape of the flag (in and out are similar, but bidir
needs arrow in both ends)

2) One should be able to choose which data to be inside and which to be
outside the flag by using the formatting options position relative to %F
.., (Everything AFTER %F is inside the flag)
          thus having the possibility to have equally sized flags all
over the schematic and the variable length text outside the flag.

3) Not so important.
     *Flag fontsize must be able to change    
     *Flag minimum/maximum size should be possible to be configured by
setting number of characters allowed inside flag
     *Text should be centered along the midline of the flag.
     *wire width the flag is drawn width should be editable

And as the years has passed, I see more and more customer drawings which
is designed using different tools which have this feature. And to read
customer drawings where I know the intentional direction by just looking
at the flag makes things a whole lot more simple. Also when discussing a
design with someone which is not so skilled in electronics I see how
much easier it is for them to understand the  designers intention when
having flags that are pointing out the signals direction.  

Breg
Vidar

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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #154305 is a reply to message #154302] Wed, 12 March 2014 10:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joern Paschedag
Messages: 1425
Registered: August 2008
Senior Member
Am 12.03.2014 08:48, schrieb vidar vidnes:
> I think it's time to re-suggest the original request. Also called
> "bumping"
>
> 1) To have the option to change the xref flag direction and shape
> That is: To choose which side the net attaches to the arrow,
> and to choose the shape of the flag (in and out are similar, but bidir
> needs arrow in both ends)
>
> 2) One should be able to choose which data to be inside and which to be
> outside the flag by using the formatting options position relative to %F
> ., (Everything AFTER %F is inside the flag)
> thus having the possibility to have equally sized flags all
> over the schematic and the variable length text outside the flag.
>
> 3) Not so important.
> *Flag fontsize must be able to change
> *Flag minimum/maximum size should be possible to be configured by
> setting number of characters allowed inside flag
> *Text should be centered along the midline of the flag.
> *wire width the flag is drawn width should be editable
>
> And as the years has passed, I see more and more customer drawings which
> is designed using different tools which have this feature. And to read
> customer drawings where I know the intentional direction by just looking
> at the flag makes things a whole lot more simple. Also when discussing a
> design with someone which is not so skilled in electronics I see how
> much easier it is for them to understand the designers intention when
> having flags that are pointing out the signals direction.
>
> Breg
> Vidar
>
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>

I repeat here myself just wishing a separate xref-size independent from
normal text size.
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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #165701 is a reply to message #154302] Wed, 11 May 2016 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
martonmiklos
Messages: 25
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
Hello all,

Bumping again. After ~2 years...

Is there any information about this feature?
Is it planned, not planned, if not why, if yes to which version?

Thanks in advance!
--
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2014-03-12 08:48 keltezéssel, vidar vidnes írta:
> I think it's time to re-suggest the original request. Also called
> "bumping"
>
> 1) To have the option to change the xref flag direction and shape
> That is: To choose which side the net attaches to the arrow,
> and to choose the shape of the flag (in and out are similar, but bidir
> needs arrow in both ends)
>
> 2) One should be able to choose which data to be inside and which to be
> outside the flag by using the formatting options position relative to %F
> ., (Everything AFTER %F is inside the flag)
> thus having the possibility to have equally sized flags all
> over the schematic and the variable length text outside the flag.
>
> 3) Not so important.
> *Flag fontsize must be able to change
> *Flag minimum/maximum size should be possible to be configured by
> setting number of characters allowed inside flag
> *Text should be centered along the midline of the flag.
> *wire width the flag is drawn width should be editable
>
> And as the years has passed, I see more and more customer drawings which
> is designed using different tools which have this feature. And to read
> customer drawings where I know the intentional direction by just looking
> at the flag makes things a whole lot more simple. Also when discussing a
> design with someone which is not so skilled in electronics I see how
> much easier it is for them to understand the designers intention when
> having flags that are pointing out the signals direction.
>
> Breg
> Vidar
>
> --
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>
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #165704 is a reply to message #165701] Thu, 12 May 2016 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Morten Leikvoll
Messages: 1343
Registered: November 2007
Senior Member
Just a comment to 1)
I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin
directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the
segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose
direction according to this.

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices
(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so
maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow
direction should be:
-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)
-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)
-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)
-bidir (arrow in both directions)

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to
detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by
multiple outputs.

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive
called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the
references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the
tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.


On 12.05.2016 00:19, Márton Miklós wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Bumping again. After ~2 years...
>
> Is there any information about this feature?
> Is it planned, not planned, if not why, if yes to which version?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> --
> Miklos Marton
>
> 2014-03-12 08:48 keltezéssel, vidar vidnes írta:
>> I think it's time to re-suggest the original request. Also called
>> "bumping"
>>
>> 1) To have the option to change the xref flag direction and shape
>> That is: To choose which side the net attaches to the arrow,
>> and to choose the shape of the flag (in and out are similar, but bidir
>> needs arrow in both ends)
>>
>> 2) One should be able to choose which data to be inside and which to be
>> outside the flag by using the formatting options position relative to %F
>> ., (Everything AFTER %F is inside the flag)
>> thus having the possibility to have equally sized flags all
>> over the schematic and the variable length text outside the flag.
>>
>> 3) Not so important.
>> *Flag fontsize must be able to change
>> *Flag minimum/maximum size should be possible to be configured by
>> setting number of characters allowed inside flag
>> *Text should be centered along the midline of the flag.
>> *wire width the flag is drawn width should be editable
>>
>> And as the years has passed, I see more and more customer drawings which
>> is designed using different tools which have this feature. And to read
>> customer drawings where I know the intentional direction by just looking
>> at the flag makes things a whole lot more simple. Also when discussing a
>> design with someone which is not so skilled in electronics I see how
>> much easier it is for them to understand the designers intention when
>> having flags that are pointing out the signals direction.
>>
>> Breg
>> Vidar
>>
>> --
>> To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:
>> http://www.element14.com/community/message/106051
>>
>
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #165712 is a reply to message #165704] Thu, 12 May 2016 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joern Paschedag
Messages: 1425
Registered: August 2008
Senior Member
Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:
> Just a comment to 1)
> I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin
> directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the
> segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose
> direction according to this.

That would be nice ;-)

>
> However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices
> (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so
> maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow
> direction should be:
> -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)
> -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)
> -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)
> -bidir (arrow in both directions)

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.
However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those
people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I
completely ignored the directions.
So I'm not too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

>
> With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to
> detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by
> multiple outputs.
>
> Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive
> called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the
> references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the
> tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

I don't know if this is practical. Think of a little project with 15 to
20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of
an info line...
>
> Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

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Joern Paschedag
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #165713 is a reply to message #165712] Fri, 13 May 2016 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CadSoft Support
Messages: 538
Registered: September 2006
Senior Member
Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:
> Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:
>> Just a comment to 1)
>> I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin
>> directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the
>> segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose
>> direction according to this.
>
> That would be nice ;-)
>

Hi,

currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but
with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.
- Direction for xref labels
- xref for a bus


>> However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices
>> (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so
>> maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow
>> direction should be:
>> -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)
>> -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)
>> -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)
>> -bidir (arrow in both directions)
>
> If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.
> However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those
> people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I
> completely ignored the directions.
> So I'm not too eager on that, but would be nice to have.
>
>>
>> With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to
>> detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by
>> multiple outputs.
>>
>> Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive
>> called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the
>> references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the
>> tooltip on mouseover/hover event.
>
> I don't know if this is practical. Think of a little project with 15 to
> 20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of
> an info line...

It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.


>>
>> Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.
>


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Richard Hammerl
CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de
FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #165718 is a reply to message #165713] Sun, 15 May 2016 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
martonmiklos
Messages: 25
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:
> Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:
>> Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:
>>> Just a comment to 1)
>>> I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin
>>> directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the
>>> segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose
>>> direction according to this.
>>
>> That would be nice ;-)
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but
> with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.
> - Direction for xref labels
> - xref for a bus
>
Hello Richard,

Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

Thanks!

>
>>> However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices
>>> (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so
>>> maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow
>>> direction should be:
>>> -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)
>>> -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)
>>> -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)
>>> -bidir (arrow in both directions)
>>
>> If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.
>> However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those
>> people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I
>> completely ignored the directions.
>> So I'm not too eager on that, but would be nice to have.
>>
>>>
>>> With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to
>>> detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by
>>> multiple outputs.
>>>
>>> Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive
>>> called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the
>>> references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the
>>> tooltip on mouseover/hover event.
>>
>> I don't know if this is practical. Think of a little project with 15 to
>> 20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of
>> an info line...
>
> It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.
>
>
>>>
>>> Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.
>>
>
>
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #165810 is a reply to message #165713] Tue, 24 May 2016 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
Messages: 67
Registered: March 2011
Member
> currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but
> with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.
> - Direction for xref labels
> - xref for a bus
>>
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards
> Richard Hammerl
> CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de (mailto:hotline@cadsoft.de)
> FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/ ( https://www.element14.com/community/external-link.jspa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww .cadsoft.de%2Ftraining%2Ffaq%2F)
>

Hello Richard, nice to see that the sugestion has reached the todo list, but with the recent activity in this thread maybe it should be given some higher priority...? Its many years since i first mentioned this and i guess others have had the same thoughts. I still find this as one feature that would really help creating better readability in the schematics.

Now, as beeing part of a developer team with 20 designers (not all designing electrical CADs though but everyone uses them) using eagle, we sometimes discuss features that we miss in an otherwise exemplary eCAD sw (yes I am talking aboute Eagle) the flag-feature as I described it is one feature that is mentioned over and over again. (No... Not by me only , but by others too). Its all about navigation and readability.

I have also an additional feature that would be nice to have implemented to the flag. This is that by clicking on a flag  (double clicking or by alt + cliking or something)  one jumps to the next page in line that has the very same net/flag. A briliant thought if I have to say it myself....This link feature is actually also something that could be implemented into the pdf generator aswell, but I guess this is a plugin an not something Cadsoft is doing by them self.
Our schematics is used actively by other departments in our facility and by our external customers, so having documentation that is intuitive and easy to follow is a sales argument better than any. *And nothing beats a good schematic when you want to tell a great story!*


*Best  regards*
*Vidar(Z)*

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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #165811 is a reply to message #165713] Tue, 24 May 2016 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zainka
Messages: 67
Registered: March 2011
Member
> currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but
> with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.
> - Direction for xref labels
> - xref for a bus
>>
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards
> Richard Hammerl
> CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de (mailto:hotline@cadsoft.de)
> FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/ ( https://www.element14.com/community/external-link.jspa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww .cadsoft.de%2Ftraining%2Ffaq%2F)
>

Hello Richard, nice to see that the sugestion has reached the todo list, but with the recent activity in this thread maybe it should be given some higher priority...? Its many years since i first mentioned this and i guess others have had the same thoughts. I still find this as one feature that would really help creating better readability in the schematics.

Now, as beeing part of a developer team with 20 designers (not all designing electrical CADs though but everyone uses them) using eagle, we sometimes discuss features that we miss in an otherwise exemplary eCAD sw (yes I am talking aboute Eagle) the flag-feature as I described it is one feature that is mentioned over and over again. (No... Not by me only , but by others too). Its all about navigation and readability.

I have also an additional feature that would be nice to have implemented to the flag. This is that by clicking on a flag  (double clicking or by alt + cliking or something)  one jumps to the next page in line that has the very same net/flag. A briliant thought if I have to say it myself....This link feature is actually also something that could be implemented into the pdf generator aswell, but I guess this is a plugin an not something Cadsoft is doing by them self.
Our schematics is used actively by other departments in our facility and by our external customers, so having documentation that is intuitive and easy to follow is a sales argument better than any. *And nothing beats a good schematic when you want to tell a great story!*


*Best  regards*
*Vidar(Z)*

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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #169313 is a reply to message #165713] Wed, 08 February 2017 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
martonmiklos
Messages: 25
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:
> Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:
>> Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:
>>> Just a comment to 1)
>>> I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin
>>> directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the
>>> segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose
>>> direction according to this.
>>
>> That would be nice ;-)
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but
> with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.
> - Direction for xref labels
> - xref for a bus
>
>
>>> However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices
>>> (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so
>>> maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow
>>> direction should be:
>>> -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)
>>> -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)
>>> -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)
>>> -bidir (arrow in both directions)
>>
>> If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.
>> However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those
>> people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I
>> completely ignored the directions.
>> So I'm not too eager on that, but would be nice to have.
>>
>>>
>>> With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to
>>> detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by
>>> multiple outputs.
>>>
>>> Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive
>>> called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the
>>> references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the
>>> tooltip on mouseover/hover event.
>>
>> I don't know if this is practical. Think of a little project with 15 to
>> 20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of
>> an info line...
>
> It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.
>
>
>>>
>>> Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.
>>

Is there any update on this one? The v8 is out but this issue still
unsolved.

Any plans implementing this soon?
>
>
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #169339 is a reply to message #169313] Fri, 10 February 2017 17:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
Messages: 1284
Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
>
> Is there any update on this one? The v8 is out but this issue still
> unsolved.
>
> Any plans implementing this soon?
>>
>>
>

Hello Marton,

All of these discussions were done prior to our purchase by Autodesk.
With that said an enhancement request was made for the feature, however
like I said previously it's low Priority for now.

I'll go ahead and bump the feature request again to see if I can get our
new devs to look at it and see their opinion.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia


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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #169366 is a reply to message #169339] Sun, 12 February 2017 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rachaelp
Messages: 532
Registered: March 2015
Location: UK
Senior Member
Jorge Garcia wrote on Fri, 10 February 2017 17:29
>
> Is there any update on this one? The v8 is out but this issue still
> unsolved.
>
> Any plans implementing this soon?
>>
>>
>

Hello Marton,

All of these discussions were done prior to our purchase by Autodesk.
With that said an enhancement request was made for the feature, however
like I said previously it's low Priority for now.

I'll go ahead and bump the feature request again to see if I can get our
new devs to look at it and see their opinion.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia


--
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Hi Jorge,

How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.

Best Regards,

Rachael


Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #169402 is a reply to message #169366] Tue, 14 February 2017 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
Messages: 1284
Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
> Hi Jorge,
>
> How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they
> match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type
> in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a
> type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a
> corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it
> like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rachael
>
>
>

Hello Rachael,

I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked them so
at some point they'll be discussed together.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia

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Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #169520 is a reply to message #169402] Mon, 20 February 2017 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
martonmiklos
Messages: 25
Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
2017-02-15 00:38 keltezéssel, Jorge Garcia írta:
>> Hi Jorge,
>>
>> How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they
>> match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type
>> in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a
>> type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a
>> corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it
>> like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rachael
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hello Rachael,
>
> I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked them so
> at some point they'll be discussed together.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jorge Garcia
>
Rachael:
Yeah that would also makes sense. Mentor DxD have had implemented it in
the same way (or at least it was a way to such a symbol if I remember well).
Re: Formatting Xref net labels [message #169554 is a reply to message #169520] Wed, 22 February 2017 07:24 Go to previous message
rachaelp
Messages: 532
Registered: March 2015
Location: UK
Senior Member
martonmiklos wrote on Mon, 20 February 2017 22:17
2017-02-15 00:38 keltezéssel, Jorge Garcia írta:
>> Hi Jorge,
>>
>> How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they
>> match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type
>> in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a
>> type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a
>> corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it
>> like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rachael
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hello Rachael,
>
> I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked them so
> at some point they'll be discussed together.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jorge Garcia
>
Rachael:
Yeah that would also makes sense. Mentor DxD have had implemented it in
the same way (or at least it was a way to such a symbol if I remember well).


Yes you might be right. It's been a while since I looked at how I set up DxD when I was using it regularly, I don't think it was the way it worked with the version I've used but it's likely something they added as I think I made a similar suggestion to them back in 2009 when I was using it heavily.

I'm hoping that this suggestion is something that they can achieve really easily so they can get it implemented without any impact to anything else Smile

Best Regards,

Rachael
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