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Anyone else having errors with version 6? [message #144940] Sun, 04 March 2012 18:12 Go to next message
Mike Evans
Messages: 8
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
There are a few obvious bugs in version 6:

Schematic editor loading with a grid of 0.1", no matter how many times you tell it you want 0.05".
Parts not dropping where you let them go, i.e. jumping a grid place over.
Random connecting / not connecting when you drop a part on the end of a net.

But the biggest is the random changing of other nets that are not intended to be changed. If I have one page of nets called "DIGIN_0" through to "DIGIN_15", and I copy this to another page and rename the nets to "DIGIN_16" through to "DIGIN_31", then all looks good. I like the feature of "Just change this segment" - it's simple and useful.

When you re-open Eagle though, the two schematic pages have the same net names, i.e. both pages have nets "DIGIN_16" through "DIGIN_31".

The PCB however has the correct netlist information, so Eagle reports an error.
Specifically:

Error: 
line 7777, column 9: redefinition of name 'DIGIN_16' in tag <signal>

This has happened three times now, each time I have lost a day and a half's work by re-entering data. Recovering saved backups only delays the problem until you re-open Eagle to be welcomed with the same message.

Having paid over £1200 for a three-seat license, I feel a little annoyed.

Can I go back to Version 5 with my new license?
Re: Anyone else having errors with version 6? [message #144956 is a reply to message #144940] Mon, 05 March 2012 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jorge Garcia
Messages: 1297
Registered: April 2010
Senior Member
On 3/4/2012 1:12 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
> There are a few obvious bugs in version 6:
>
> Schematic editor loading with a grid of 0.1", no matter how many times you tell it you want 0.05".
> Parts not dropping where you let them go, i.e. jumping a grid place over.
> Random connecting / not connecting when you drop a part on the end of a net.
>
> But the biggest is the random changing of other nets that are not intended to be changed. If I have one page of nets called "DIGIN_0" through to "DIGIN_15", and I copy this to another page and rename the nets to "DIGIN_16" through to "DIGIN_31", then all looks good. I like the feature of "Just change this segment" - it's simple and useful.
>
> When you re-open Eagle though, the two schematic pages have the same net names, i.e. both pages have nets "DIGIN_16" through "DIGIN_31".
>
> The PCB however has the correct netlist information, so Eagle reports an error.
> Specifically:
>
> Error:
> line 7777, column 9: redefinition of name 'DIGIN_16' in tag<signal>
>
> This has happened three times now, each time I have lost a day and a half's work by re-entering data. Recovering saved backups only delays the problem until you re-open Eagle to be welcomed with the same message.
>
> Having paid over £1200 for a three-seat license, I feel a little annoyed.
>
> Can I go back to Version 5 with my new license?
>

Hi Mike,

You should setup you're default grid in the eagle.scr, this script is
run every time you run any of EAGLE's editors. It's an excellent way to
setup defaults. That said I would not deviate too much from 0.1" since
all of EAGLE's default libraries are made to that grid and you might
have trouble connecting to components.

The other problem you're experiencing is more interesting. Please send
test files as well as a procedure to recreate the issue to
support@cadsoftusa.com for analysis, that way the developers can get on
to fixing it if it turns out to be a legitimate bug.

hth,

Jorge Garcia
Cadsoft Support
Re: Anyone else having errors with version 6? [message #144958 is a reply to message #144956] Tue, 06 March 2012 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
not-real
Messages: 29
Registered: February 2012
Junior Member
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:49:17 -0500, Jorge Garcia
<jorge@cadsoftusa.com> wrote:

>On 3/4/2012 1:12 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
>> There are a few obvious bugs in version 6:
>>
>> Schematic editor loading with a grid of 0.1", no matter how many times you tell it you want 0.05".
>> Parts not dropping where you let them go, i.e. jumping a grid place over.
>> Random connecting / not connecting when you drop a part on the end of a net.
>>
>> But the biggest is the random changing of other nets that are not intended to be changed. If I have one page of nets called "DIGIN_0" through to "DIGIN_15", and I copy this to another page and rename the nets to "DIGIN_16" through to "DIGIN_31", then all looks good. I like the feature of "Just change this segment" - it's simple and useful.
>>
>> When you re-open Eagle though, the two schematic pages have the same net names, i.e. both pages have nets "DIGIN_16" through "DIGIN_31".
>>
>> The PCB however has the correct netlist information, so Eagle reports an error.
>> Specifically:
>>
>> Error:
>> line 7777, column 9: redefinition of name 'DIGIN_16' in tag<signal>
>>
>> This has happened three times now, each time I have lost a day and a half's work by re-entering data. Recovering saved backups only delays the problem until you re-open Eagle to be welcomed with the same message.
>>
>> Having paid over £1200 for a three-seat license, I feel a little annoyed.
>>
>> Can I go back to Version 5 with my new license?
>>
>
>Hi Mike,
>
>You should setup you're default grid in the eagle.scr, this script is
>run every time you run any of EAGLE's editors. It's an excellent way to
>setup defaults. That said I would not deviate too much from 0.1" since
>all of EAGLE's default libraries are made to that grid and you might
>have trouble connecting to components.
>
>The other problem you're experiencing is more interesting. Please send
>test files as well as a procedure to recreate the issue to
>support@cadsoftusa.com for analysis, that way the developers can get on
>to fixing it if it turns out to be a legitimate bug.
>
>hth,
>
>Jorge Garcia
>Cadsoft Support

I would like to confirm Mike Evans report about version 6. I also see
random jumping of parts that are being placed, especially after being
copied from somewhere else with the copy tool. I cannot send any test
files because the bug is not repeatable. It just happens about 1 out
of 20 times I copy a part. It also happens when I place an object
from a library. I don't believe I have seen the problem when moving a
part. The "jump" is usually one grid point away from where I let up
on the mouse button. It is not just me jerking the mouse as I let up
on the button. My workaround is just to be very observant and correct
these jumps with an adjustment move after it happens. There is no
special kind of part that needs to be involved. I have seen it happen
with simple resistors. This happens only is the schematic editor, not
the board editor. And I am normally placing a part so that some pin
of the part attaches to a net. The jump, when it occurs, normally
results in the part not making the desire connection. I don't know if
random placements suffer the jump probem when no connection is
possible. It could be because I have never seen the jump except when
I am trying to make a connection.

As for using a grid other than 0.1", I normally using a grid of 0.025"
all the time. And it starts up that way for me. It could be that
Mike is not "opening" the project, just opening the board. Mike, do
you see a green dot next to the project name when you open it?



Robert Scott
Ypsilanti, Michigan
Re: Anyone else having errors with version 6? [message #145005 is a reply to message #144958] Thu, 08 March 2012 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Evans
Messages: 8
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
Thanks for the tips guys, there is a green dot but I just double-click on the board filename and then confirm I'd like to open the schematic too. I've always done this so I didn't realise there would be a difference with version 6.

I'll edit the startup script too - thanks - most of the parts in the supplied libraries are 0.05" pitch (and indeed if you press the 'default' button on the grid setup that's what you get).

Robert describes the jumping of schematic parts far more precisely than I could - that is exactly what happens.

I'll send files once the PCB has been sent for manufacture, I do have copies but I'm a bit nervous about opening corrupt files with similar filenames to a live project.

Thanks again for your help.

PS I have just moved a library that my project referenced (intending to update to the new path in Eagle once open) and when I started Eagle I got the windows message "Eagle.exe has stopped working...." Again, I'll send files to support.
Re: Anyone else having errors with version 6? [message #145007 is a reply to message #144958] Thu, 08 March 2012 11:32 Go to previous message
Mike Evans
Messages: 8
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
Just a small note regarding 'jumping' parts.

It seems to be related to where the part is picked up from, relative to the origin.

i.e. If, when you copy a resistor your mouse isn't within one grid of the origin cross, then when you place the resistor it jumps by that offset.
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